Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
I am an audience! Thanks and it really makes some broader points. We often start from finding people who have a passion about a subject but don;t edit yet. That at least solves the 'blank sheet of paper' fear. Liked the discussion though. On 4 July 2013 08:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%** 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=** 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118 It will be for next time then. :) Nemo P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:** CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_** recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
Hi, Nemo. Certainly, this was an ENWP experiment, and it's not unreasonable that there would be no learnings for other projects. The post's audience was absolutely anyone in the movement who may care; after all, anyone can replicate this experiment or something like it, in other countries, other languages, etc. We used community tools and no magic. I'm not sure what question you consider unanswered on that link. A. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%** 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=** 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118 It will be for next time then. :) Nemo P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:** CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_** recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
Dear colleagues, I wanted to remind us all of the importance of learning from when our plans and efforts don't succeed, whether due to mistakes or just an experimental hypothesis turning out to not be the case. We at the Wikimedia Foundation have had such an experiment a few months ago, and an idea we thought had potential turned out to have none of the hoped-for impact. We wrote it up and drew some (I think) interesting learning points from it, including possibly next steps for those who may want to experiment along similar lines. The learning is featured in a Wikimedia Blog post here: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/02/english-wikipedia-editor-pilot-philippines/ which also links to the full report on Meta. I am also pleased at the discussion the blog post has already generated. Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear colleagues, I wanted to remind us all of the importance of learning from when our plans and efforts don't succeed, whether due to mistakes or just an experimental hypothesis turning out to not be the case. We at the Wikimedia Foundation have had such an experiment a few months ago, and an idea we thought had potential turned out to have none of the hoped-for impact. We wrote it up and drew some (I think) interesting learning points from it, including possibly next steps for those who may want to experiment along similar lines. The learning is featured in a Wikimedia Blog post here: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/02/english-wikipedia-editor-pilot-philippines/ which also links to the full report on Meta. I am also pleased at the discussion the blog post has already generated. Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe Yes! Big plus-one! Though I would refer to it as confirming the null hypothesis[1] rather than non-success :) Publication bias[2] and systematic underreporting of non-significant effects are huge problems in all scholarly fields, so it's not like we're unusual in this respect. But we miss out on really great opportunities to advance our institutional learning when we bury our non-successes.. err.. null hypothesis confirmations! Keep em' coming, folks. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias -- Maryana Pinchuk Associate Product Manager, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
