Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-01 01:06 PM, Jens Best wrote: I will take the time to explain you why [I believe] net neutrality is more than you suggest and why [I think] we need to be a little bit less starry-eyed [than I believe we are] when it comes to the reasons why telecoms are behaving sooo nice to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
Dear James, your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer, but as I can't see my answering mail to Gerard's input from yesterday published in this mailinglist so I will wait until this moderated. When I see that my email with the answer to Gerard is published in the

[Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread James Salsman
Jens, Why do you say net neutrality has anything to do with price? It's about best-effort delivery of packets without censorship or, for example, treating packets that say do you want to join our radical fundamentalist agnostic cell, the same way as we treat packets that say, do you want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
Hi Nathan and everybody, Last time I checked my mail (containing my repsonse to Gerard) wasn't published and as I sent it yesterday morning I'm suprised that it took that long to arrive. Also, I would like you to stop your wrong assumptions about off-topic - As Gerard made a statement to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Gilles Dubuc
To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might be different than ours, but more importantly, they have to be pitted against

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Nathan
Jens - your reply to Gerard on the other thread (where it is surely off topic) was published a couple of hours ago. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Jens Best best.j...@gmail.com wrote: Dear James, your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer, but as I can't see my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
Dear Nathan et al. I answered Josh in the other threat but will copy my answer to him again here below so that anybody interested to continue can do this in the right threat. Nathan, I am disgusted by your comparisons. colonialist aspect? little reminiscent of European Christian missionaries

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
what Josh Lim wrote in the other threat: Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedia)”, yet