Re: [Wikimedia-l] On wiki versus off wiki - it may not be that simple

[Benjamin Ikuta]

It would do a great deal to clear the air of speculation if they would at least 
confirm they're not accusing Fram of off wiki harassment. 



On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Stephen Philbrick  
wrote:

> Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people
> contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about
> harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the
> truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations,
> while T Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized
> as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but
> not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.
> 
> Phil
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On wiki versus off wiki - it may not be that simple

[Thyge]

Den søn. 30. jun. 2019 kl. 18.48 skrev Todd Allen :

> "Even if the answer is "Some of the conduct was off-wiki",
> that tells us nothing about what it was or how WMF came to be aware of it."
>

I'm not so sure that is correct.

Thyge Larsen (Sir48)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On wiki versus off wiki - it may not be that simple

[Todd Allen]

Well, I think we're all well aware that not everything pertaining to the
situation is on-wiki. There were clearly communications that were not, even
if just those that took place during WMF's review procedure, the ones
they've had with ArbCom, etc.

The question that was asked, specifically, was "Were the actions for which
this ban was imposed entirely on-wiki ones, or did any alleged harassment
which factored into the decision take place via other channels?" That
particular question could be given a clear up-or-down answer without any
privacy issues. Even if the answer is "Some of the conduct was off-wiki",
that tells us nothing about what it was or how WMF came to be aware of it.

Todd

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 9:20 AM Stephen Philbrick <
stephen.w.philbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people
> contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about
> harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the
> truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations,
> while T Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized
> as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but
> not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.
>
> Phil
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[Wikimedia-l] On wiki versus off wiki - it may not be that simple

[Stephen Philbrick]

Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people
contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about
harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the
truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations,
while T Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized
as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but
not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.

Phil
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