Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

> > > 4) I don't see a 55-47 vote on a menu of 3 options as being a > particularly > > > strong indication of community consensus. Indeed, it's pretty clear > there > > > isn't a consensus, and it would be a shame if people proceeded on the > basis > > > that "There was a consultation and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Hello Chris (or Jethro)! Thanks for taking time to reply. > Is it the WMF's view that Wikimania in its current form is > > > broken and change is needed - if so who represents that view to the > > community? (Or if not, what *is* the WMF's view?) > > > It is fair to say that our team does view

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

On 18 Feb 2016 00:24, "Chris Schilling" wrote: > > > > > 3) I am still really unsure who is owning this process, either within the > > WMF or in general. Generally, I think clear responsibility and > > accountability *eases* difficult conversations and so far as I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

> > 3) I am still really unsure who is owning this process, either within the > WMF or in general. Generally, I think clear responsibility and > accountability *eases* difficult conversations and so far as I can tell > they are lacking in the conversation about "what should happen with >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Hoi, When you have been to as many Wikimania's as I have been, you will know that it is exactly the interaction with staff that enables a lot of things. They have the consistency (in time) to make a difference, they are embedded in an organisation that has always cared about what it is that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Your comments are inaccurate, not useful, and completely antithetical to our principles. On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Henning Schlottmann wrote: > On 09.02.2016 16:40, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > When you cap Wikimania, who is not to come? > > Employees of the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

On 09.02.2016 16:40, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > When you cap Wikimania, who is not to come? Employees of the WMF and the chapters, other than WMF's community engagement team and maybe - just maybe - selected speakers as speakers, not as general participants. Wikimania is not for and about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Thank you for beginning this important discussion! I have the same concerns as others, especially around how this consultation fits into the decision making process. This sentence from the introduction makes it sound very serious indeed-- maybe this was a misunderstanding? [1] > The outcomes of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Interestingly, having them every other year would make it potentially viable for an entirely new community group to start putting on their own wikimanias, essentially forking the process. On 09/02/16 07:01, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I positively HATE the notion that Wikimania will be once

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Yes I am also not a big fan of moving Wikimania to every two years. Meeting once a year on a global scale is important. I could see possibly keeping it smaller / capping funding. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Hoi, When you cap Wikimania, who is not to come? Who is not relevant enough. We are a big movement and there is a reason for that. You care about health, what about mental health? How do you learn the lessons from the Malayalam source movement. There is more than we can do and you talk about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Hello Gerard, I believe the topic of capping costs is a reasonable one because, simply put, there are not unlimited resources within the movement. Some of us have the financial wherewithal to attend "on our own dime", but many of our colleagues from around the world are not in that position. Your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Risker wrote: > Hello Gerard, I believe the topic of capping costs is a reasonable one > because, simply put, there are not unlimited resources within the movement. > Some of us have the financial wherewithal to attend "on our own dime", but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

On 2016-02-08 5:53 PM, Ellie Young wrote: The Community Resources team at the WMF recently held a consultation I will join my voice to the chorus expressing concern and dismay at the completely ridiculous interpretation of that minor discussion - it clearly does not resemble a mandate to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Just to add my thoughts on this. I think the whole discussion is quite a novel situation in WMF-Community relations, as we have never dealt with an issue quite like this before. Firstly the good (and even though this section is shorter, it's just as significant): 1) The WMF is consulting and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

Hoi, I positively HATE the notion that Wikimania will be once every other year. It is easy enough to get in contact with local heroes. What Wikimania does is bring people from the whole world together. Without Wikimania our community is parochial. This is where our projects are weak in having a

[Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

The Community Resources team at the WMF recently held a consultation on articulating the value of Wikimedia movement conferences overall, the unique value of Wikimania, and what new form Wikimania could take to better serve