Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-16 Thread Ivan Martínez
Hi, I posted a report in the Spanish daily ElDiario.es about this theme. http://www.eldiario.es/turing/Wikipedia-SOPA-Duma_0_152934722.html Best regards. 2013/7/10 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com On 10 July 2013 21:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: I do not see any reaction

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Fred Bauder
If you post a creative work on a website the purpose which is to share files you have assumed the rights of the owner, one of which is to determine the conditions which must be met to view or listen to the work. The owner can give his work away to the world but not third parties. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2013 07:51, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: It is easiest to analyze if the work has never been published. Distributing it then is a taking of intellectual property regardless of whether the original is physically taken or only a copy. The theft is of the possible gain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 10, 2013 8:59 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 July 2013 07:51, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: It is easiest to analyze if the work has never been published. Distributing it then is a taking of intellectual property regardless of whether the original is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Hi again, so I spent some time looking into the problem and wrote a short summary at http://twkozlowski.net/russian-wikipedia-under-threat-again/ (shameless promotion mode=off /) -- if anyone cares about what's happening outside of the US, that is. As described in the summary, there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 10.07.2013 20:45, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Hi again, so I spent some time looking into the problem and wrote a short summary at http://twkozlowski.net/russian-wikipedia-under-threat-again/ (shameless promotion mode=off /) -- if anyone cares about what's happening outside of the US, that is.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2013 21:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: I do not see any reaction whatsoever from Wikimedia.ru , but from our WLM experience you probably remember that they are ... hmm ... not the fastest to react, and usually only do it after other people start complaining that

[Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Hi there, two months after the smoking cannabis controversy, the Russian Wikipedia is in trouble again, this time over an anti-piracy legislation that will come into force on August 1 and which might result in Wikipedia as a whole -- not just a few articles -- being blacklisted in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
I don't get it. I was able to use a Wikipedia link to find a place to download The Searchers, a John Ford film starring John Wayne in about 30 seconds. How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Fred Hi there, two months after the smoking cannabis controversy, the Russian Wikipedia is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it. In some jurisdiction,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it. In some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Risker
Well, not wanting to wade into that pirates' little helpers snarkiness, but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright violation. Maybe a bit longer if you have a slow connection. Risker On 9 July 2013 23:36, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On 07/09/2013 08:37

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On 9 July 2013 23:46, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Well, not wanting to wade into that pirates' little helpers snarkiness, but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright violation. Maybe a bit longer if you have a slow connection. Risker True

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Phil Nash
- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Phil Nash
- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again - Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb