Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Sometimes, instead of patrolling recent changes for vandalism, I'll change the filter to "good faith edits" and "unregistered". A lot of edits made under IP addresses are constructive, and I send out welcomes that way. I also check my watchlist and welcome people. I like using the thank button as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Perhaps of interest to participants in this discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-03-01/Opinion, titled "Wikipedia is another country", by User:Gog the Mild (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gog_the_Mild). I'll quote two paragraph of this essay here. (For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

We don't, at least not at community level. At most, we fight for individual cases which are worth it (e.g. PR people that seem willing to learn). This got us some half-decent articles about companies. Pe miercuri, 19 februarie 2020, Andy Mabbett a scris: > I have just come across a case on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Some established users have the habit of reverting every edit by IPs and newbies in the articles they watch - often with the special reversion tool - no mater the content and value of the edition. That is a very consistent behavior I've been observing over more than one decade at the Wikipedia in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

As a quick/rough data point I don't frequently edit wikipedia anymore, and when I do I never log in. About 2/3 edits no further interactions happen. About 10% gets reverted, about 10% of the time I get a warning and the last 10% I get a welcome template. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:52 Marshall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Thanks for mentioning the WMF Growth team [1], Pine. This is a really interesting thread that has touched on much of what the team has been working on alongside the Czech, Korean, Arabic, and Vietnamese Wikipedia communities (and with the advice of people from many different communities along the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Not really, drawing practical advices/lessons (e.g. "differentiate among kinds of COIs") is the only sensible path towards solving issues. "Let's be kind" is close to a tautology. Vito Il giorno mer 26 feb 2020 alle ore 09:59 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > On Tue, 25

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

In our case the a few volunteers running (organizing) edit-a-thons, met with a few key persons who patrollers to discuss the dilemma. And so changes and new variants for the patrollers work were introduced, at the same time as the introduction to newbees by  volunteers was somewhat changed.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

I can say that in Italian Wikipedia, in many edit-a-thon that WikiDonne organized, in time we had often cases where the whole newbie's user page was deleted immediately, without even warning. Because inside was write for example "this is a test" or because the page was empty. Needless to tell you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Hello Peaceray, There are many Wikipedians like you who continuously dedicate themselves to well receive and help newbies, being absolutely decisive in keeping and improving the projects health. But I was referring specifically to the core community, the one which regularly frequent village pumps

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

We are a small version that welcome all contributions that enhance value. So we do not use coi to say no, we only use coi when people enter biased  statements, or get angry when their contributions gets neutralized. And we do not use templates in those cases, we do not even have ones, we only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Its an interest aspect of speaking generically to describe any issue that the demand for links turns a discussion from general to specific that says. Firstly I dont trust you, I'm not assuming good faith in your reason for starting the discussion. Then secondly it focus the discussion to one point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to wrote: > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies. My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an example. I chose not to post links to to the example, both in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

ikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta > Sent: 25 February 2020 20:03 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI > > As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established > communities of editors treat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders. No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of humane beings, not something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). Vito Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exceptional. My habit: - For newly registered users, which I define as someone with a redlinked talk page, I welcome them. - If I am going to revert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

I have a more nuanced view. The community benefits from new editors who are acting in good faith and willing to learn. I agree that treatment of new editors can be problematic. On the other hand, having become one of the "insiders", I now understand how English Wikipedia has a limited supply of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders. No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of humane beings, not something technical. But the result is a very low rate of retention,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 22:35, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w > as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life. [...] > As well as being reverted, she

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

To help with overly "shouty" templates, I did create https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fae/talk_page_trimmer on Commons which 'shrinks' long notices on the presumption that noting a possible "copyright problem"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

It would be nice to have a tool for long standing editors to clean up a newbies talk page for them, leave messages for the overeager templaters, and help them out / welcome them in untemolsted language. Then a little ML could go a long way in guessing which newbies are in this situation and

[Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life. Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to Wikipedia - totalled 1254