Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-17 Thread James Salsman
Jennifer, > I think what you really mean is that you want (1) for yourself as > opposed to the movement in general to be personally involved in > the decision-making process, I would be happy if the Foundation was doing anything to involve the community in the process. We are constantly told to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Jim > I would like to comment on the search and requirement > criteria. In particular, I'd like to know [...] I would love to know any of > this far more than anything about branding. > Yes, but what would you *do* with the answers to all those questions? You're not on the search committee, so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread James Salsman
Jennifer, I would like to comment on the search and requirement criteria. In particular, I'd like to know whether the Foundation is interested in reinforcing their privacy infrastructure, and whether that is more or less important than being able to provide personally identifiable information to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Joseph Seddon
** correction - New readers (audiences and global partnerships) are working in North Africa, Middle East, South America and India at the moment. On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM Joseph Seddon wrote: > You keep mentioning this Anglo-Centric / Wikipedia centric focus of the > WMF. > > WMDE

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Joseph Seddon
You keep mentioning this Anglo-Centric / Wikipedia centric focus of the WMF. WMDE receives substantial monetary support from WMF for Wikidata. Only two years ago dedicated grant funded work was made specific for Wikidata on Commons for both WMF and WMDE. New Editors are working with the Korea and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Gerard, > So lets focus on what *you* consider the big > difficult questions making this rebranding issue not so relevant.. > Well, there is a list of about 90 scoping questions from the movement strategy process. Many of these questions in fact overlap or are alternative ways of asking the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Fine. Obviously we disagree on what we read in the same text. Now what would be the "correct way" to address a perceived sense of superiority ? Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 11:24, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 10:14, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 21:09, James Salsman wrote: > I withdraw any opinions and suggestions about the branding discussion, > and don't intend to continue participating in it. Instead, I would > like to have a more substantive discussion: > > (1) I ask that the CTO search team please publish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 10:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Thank you for your sense of superiority.. It's not helpful to sarcastically "thank" someone like this. I don't find Chris to have had a sense of superiority in his email, but even if he had, this is not the correct way to address

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for your sense of superiority.. the views on this list are "easy to have"and "not the big, difficult questions". These are some big difficult questions I can come up with: - how will we deal with the existing bias that is Anglo-American.. - how will we deal with the existing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Chris Keating
In many ways yes - not that branding isnt important, but these two conversations are a great example of people engaging with the narrow questions that are easy to have a view on, and not the big, difficult questions. (Though also, there is nothing more interesting on the working group email lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Jim You ask that "the CTO search team please publish their search and requirement criteria" -- what would you, or the public at large, do with that information? JPS ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

[Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-15 Thread James Salsman
I withdraw any opinions and suggestions about the branding discussion, and don't intend to continue participating in it. Instead, I would like to have a more substantive discussion: (1) I ask that the CTO search team please publish their search and requirement criteria, including the CTO job