[Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread Andrew Gray
On 17 September 2012 19:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Naturally every link wants to escape from the toolbox, if it's collapsed :-) They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 17:27, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 17 September 2012 19:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread Andrew Gray
NSince sending that last email, I've been thinking about why the toolboxes are effectively hidden. (I don't disagree they are - to a new user, having a link in a collapsed toolbox is functionally equivalent to it not existing) One possible problem is that the collapsed toolbox has, visibly, very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread JP BĂ©land
2012/9/19 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com David Gerard wrote: That there was a plausible reason to hide functionality doesn't mean it actually works out to be a good idea, and it arguably not working out to be one is the point of this thread. It turns out that if you obscure functionality,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Naturally every link wants to escape from the toolbox, if it's collapsed :-) They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't seen any solid argument for collapsing any navboxes by default (except perhaps those in the

[Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, Time after time I run into new users of Wikimedia projects who don't know that they can use the functions that are available in the Toolbox on the sidebar, such as What links here, Upload file, User contributions and E-mail this user. I pointed these people to the toolbox, because they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Well, this was discussed at length in 2010 (one of the threads was started by yourself): e.g. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/45758 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/46089 The big question is still valid: just hiding what's found to be used less makes