Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-24 Thread Alex Monk 
I think they can see the subdomain too (i.e. en.wikipedia.org or
tr.wikipedia.org) but yeah.

On Thu, 24 May 2018, 09:13 James Hare,  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> > Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> > block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about
> it.
> >
> > Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> > misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block
> only
> > the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> > instead of the whole site?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
>
>
>
> One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
> Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
> see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
> your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
> doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.
>
> So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
> the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
> Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
> really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
> policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
> Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
> Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
> you.
>
>
> 
> James Hare
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-24 Thread David Cuenca Tudela 
Thanks for the explanation, James!

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, James Hare  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> > Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> > block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about
> it.
> >
> > Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> > misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block
> only
> > the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> > instead of the whole site?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
>
>
>
> One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
> Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
> see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
> your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
> doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.
>
> So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
> the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
> Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
> really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
> policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
> Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
> Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
> you.
>
>
> 
> James Hare
> Associate Product Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> https://wikimediafoundation.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-24 Thread James Hare 
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:55 AM, David Cuenca Tudela 
wrote:

> Hi Eileen,
>
> Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
> Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
> block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about it.
>
> Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
> misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block only
> the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
> instead of the whole site?
>
> Regards,
> David



One of the effects of Wikipedia's HTTPS-only policy is that ISPs, the
Turkish government, and other parties who may be monitoring traffic can't
see the contents of the traffic – they can only see a connection between
your machine and "wikipedia.org". The option to selectively block traffic
doesn't exist because they can't see what that traffic even is.

So why not allow HTTP-only connections if it gives the Turkish government
the option to block the articles it wants and letting the others through?
Political implications of that aside, the result is that a user couldn't
really guarantee what they were reading was Wikipedia. Which is to say, the
policy of only allowing access to Wikipedia over a secure connection is how
Wikipedia guarantees that you are actually reading Wikipedia and not
Wikipedia plus injected propaganda or injected advertisements or what have
you.



James Hare
Associate Product Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
https://wikimediafoundation.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-24 Thread David Cuenca Tudela 
Hi Eileen,

Thanks for the follow up and for the nice letter that you wrote to the
Turkish Minister. There is something I do not understand about Turkey's
block and maybe you (or somebody else) could offer some insights about it.

Apparently the ban was issued because it was felt that Turkey was
misrepresented in some articles. My question is, why didn't they block only
the offending articles (as they did in the past with other articles)
instead of the whole site?

Regards,
David

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22 AM, Eileen Hershenov  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thank you to everyone who participated and supported the #WeMissTurkey
> efforts marking the one-year anniversary of the block in Turkey of all
> language versions of Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed
> to restoring access to Wikipedia in full, upholding our values and stance
> against censorship, and supporting the local Wikimedia community in Turkey.
>
> As part of our ongoing efforts, we have been monitoring discussions and
> mentions in the media around Wikipedia in Turkey. Last Friday, May 18, the
> Turkish Minister of Transport, Maritime, and Communications, Ahmet Arslan,
> made a number of incorrect comments[0] to the press in Turkey about
> Wikimedia and the block of Wikipedia. Minister Arslan’s position includes
> oversight of the BTK, the Internet Regulatory Agency that sought the block
> of Wikipedia.
>
> The Foundation has replied to the Minister’s statements with an open letter
> sent to the Minister and shared with the media who covered the Minister's
> statements. The statement has also been shared with the local Wikimedia
> community in Turkey, and we have posted it on the Wikimedia Blog in both
> English[1] and Turkish[2] to address any further public confusion.
>
> We will continue to keep you updated as we work with the local community to
> monitor the situation, and take appropriate actions to restore access to
> Wikipedia in Turkey.
>
> Thank you,
> Eileen
>
> [0] https://www.ntv.com.tr/teknoloji/bakan-ahmet-arslandan-wikipedia-
> aciklamasi,UaPHfIgSq0yDPoVfXo5SOw
> [1]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/22/a-letter-to-
> minister-ahmet-arslan/
> [2]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/tr/2018/05/22/bakan-ahmet-arslan-
> vikipedi-dunyadaki-herkes-tarafindan-gelistirilmeye-
> aciktir-ve-turkiyedeki-
> editorler-icin-de-acik-olmalidir/
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[Wikimedia-l] Recent statement on the block of Wikipedia in Turkey

2018-05-23 Thread Eileen Hershenov 
Hello,

Thank you to everyone who participated and supported the #WeMissTurkey
efforts marking the one-year anniversary of the block in Turkey of all
language versions of Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed
to restoring access to Wikipedia in full, upholding our values and stance
against censorship, and supporting the local Wikimedia community in Turkey.

As part of our ongoing efforts, we have been monitoring discussions and
mentions in the media around Wikipedia in Turkey. Last Friday, May 18, the
Turkish Minister of Transport, Maritime, and Communications, Ahmet Arslan,
made a number of incorrect comments[0] to the press in Turkey about
Wikimedia and the block of Wikipedia. Minister Arslan’s position includes
oversight of the BTK, the Internet Regulatory Agency that sought the block
of Wikipedia.

The Foundation has replied to the Minister’s statements with an open letter
sent to the Minister and shared with the media who covered the Minister's
statements. The statement has also been shared with the local Wikimedia
community in Turkey, and we have posted it on the Wikimedia Blog in both
English[1] and Turkish[2] to address any further public confusion.

We will continue to keep you updated as we work with the local community to
monitor the situation, and take appropriate actions to restore access to
Wikipedia in Turkey.

Thank you,
Eileen

[0] https://www.ntv.com.tr/teknoloji/bakan-ahmet-arslandan-wikipedia-
aciklamasi,UaPHfIgSq0yDPoVfXo5SOw
[1]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/22/a-letter-to-
minister-ahmet-arslan/
[2]  https://blog.wikimedia.org/tr/2018/05/22/bakan-ahmet-arslan-
vikipedi-dunyadaki-herkes-tarafindan-gelistirilmeye-aciktir-ve-turkiyedeki-
editorler-icin-de-acik-olmalidir/
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