Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Hoi, There is another benefit, when Wikidata is KNOWN to have good data as it is actively comparing its data with other sources, people will get more confidence in the quality of Wikidata. Thanks, Gerard On 21 August 2014 16:26, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: re the birth anomalies, we have been running a process for several years now that looks for people alive according to certain wikipedias and dead according to up to 80 others. The format works well and has been broadened to various other anomalies such as being dead but not born. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Death_anomalies_table The key thing to remember is that when Wikipedias differ you need reliable source to settle the difference. Wikidata may or may not make this sort of thing easier, but my suspicion is that resolving anomalies will improve Wikidata as well as Wikipedia. Regards Jonathan (WereSpielChequers) On 19 Aug 2014, at 22:05, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:04:17 -0400 From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data Message-ID: d018c23a.422b...@mzmcbride.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Gerard Meijssen wrote: What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Neat idea! There's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports, of course. In my experience, users don't really care what the report is titled or how it looks; they're much more concerned with accurate and up-to-date (read: actionable) report data. One of the benefits of using a wiki page is that wiki pages have pre-built notification structures (watchlists, RSS feeds, IRC feed, and e-mail). To this end, depending on who the relevant audience is of this report, updating multiple pages on local wikis may be a lot more fruitful. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
re the birth anomalies, we have been running a process for several years now that looks for people alive according to certain wikipedias and dead according to up to 80 others. The format works well and has been broadened to various other anomalies such as being dead but not born. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Death_anomalies_table The key thing to remember is that when Wikipedias differ you need reliable source to settle the difference. Wikidata may or may not make this sort of thing easier, but my suspicion is that resolving anomalies will improve Wikidata as well as Wikipedia. Regards Jonathan (WereSpielChequers) On 19 Aug 2014, at 22:05, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:04:17 -0400 From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data Message-ID: d018c23a.422b...@mzmcbride.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Gerard Meijssen wrote: What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Neat idea! There's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports, of course. In my experience, users don't really care what the report is titled or how it looks; they're much more concerned with accurate and up-to-date (read: actionable) report data. One of the benefits of using a wiki page is that wiki pages have pre-built notification structures (watchlists, RSS feeds, IRC feed, and e-mail). To this end, depending on who the relevant audience is of this report, updating multiple pages on local wikis may be a lot more fruitful. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Il 19/ago/2014 09:38 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. Hi Gerard, en.wp, de.wp and it.wp are three Wikipedias, so we are missing one :). Which one is that? Thanks, Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Hoi, My bad; four sources, three wikipedia ... I do not think in terms of Wikipedias I am afraid. Thanks, GerardM On 19 August 2014 09:58, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Il 19/ago/2014 09:38 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. Hi Gerard, en.wp, de.wp and it.wp are three Wikipedias, so we are missing one :). Which one is that? Thanks, Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Hi Amir, 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly? You may want to add some sort of false positives list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven. That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!) Thanks! Cristian [*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409diff=151644019oldid=151167823 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Can we join more Wikipedias to the comparison? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Amir has created functionality that compares data from en.wp de.wp and it.wp. It is data about humans and it only shows differences where they exist. It compares those four Wikipedias with information in Wikidata. The idea is that the report will be updated regularly. The problem we face is: what should it actually look like. Should it just splatter the info on a page or is more needed. At this time we just have data [1]. Please help us with something that works easily for now. Once we have something, it can be prettified and more functional. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079742/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Pretty sure those are just the :first: 38... Note the q numbers. (They are ascending and don't make to q5000.) That suggests the full list will be very large indeed. Joe www.joedecker.net On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:49, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amir, 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly? You may want to add some sort of false positives list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven. That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!) Thanks! Cristian [*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409diff=151644019oldid=151167823 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
HoI, You are absolutely right.. What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Thanks, GerardM On 19 August 2014 12:13, Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure those are just the :first: 38... Note the q numbers. (They are ascending and don't make to q5000.) That suggests the full list will be very large indeed. Joe www.joedecker.net On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:49, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amir, 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly? You may want to add some sort of false positives list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven. That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!) Thanks! Cristian [*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409diff=151644019oldid=151167823 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
IMHO a simple table, maybe even a wikitable, would suffice for the initial iteration. We can get much more fancy later. Of course, if Infoboxes/Persondata on these Wikipedias were to use some Lua magic, biographies with e.g. mismatching birthdates could automatically be added to a maintenance category... Cheers, Magnus On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: HoI, You are absolutely right.. What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Thanks, GerardM On 19 August 2014 12:13, Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure those are just the :first: 38... Note the q numbers. (They are ascending and don't make to q5000.) That suggests the full list will be very large indeed. Joe www.joedecker.net On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:49, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amir, 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly? You may want to add some sort of false positives list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven. That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!) Thanks! Cristian [*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409diff=151644019oldid=151167823 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Hi, 2014-08-19 12:13 GMT+02:00 Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com: Pretty sure those are just the :first: 38... Note the q numbers. (They are ascending and don't make to q5000.) That suggests the full list will be very large indeed. This makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Il 19/ago/2014 12:19 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ha scritto: You are absolutely right.. What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. A project page on Wikidata with links/redirects from relevant local wikis project pages? C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Sorry to digress into minutiae, but as a note. The maintenance category idea may have a subtle flaw, I suspect wikidata data updates won't update said maintenance category until the corresponding Wikipedia page is purged/rerendered. --Joe www.joedecker.net On Aug 19, 2014, at 3:41, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: IMHO a simple table, maybe even a wikitable, would suffice for the initial iteration. We can get much more fancy later. Of course, if Infoboxes/Persondata on these Wikipedias were to use some Lua magic, biographies with e.g. mismatching birthdates could automatically be added to a maintenance category... Cheers, Magnus On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: HoI, You are absolutely right.. What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Thanks, GerardM On 19 August 2014 12:13, Joe Decker joedec...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure those are just the :first: 38... Note the q numbers. (They are ascending and don't make to q5000.) That suggests the full list will be very large indeed. Joe www.joedecker.net On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:49, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amir, 2014-08-19 10:38 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: It's three now but the way I designed, it's very easy to extend. Thanks for this report. I am amazed that over the hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia biographies[*] it seems that we have only 38 inconsistencies. Am I understanding your report correctly? You may want to add some sort of false positives list. For example, for Jimmy Wales in it.wp[1] there's a through explanation about the uncertainty related to Jimbo's birth date. So I would consider that being a false positive. A similar situation occurs for Beethoven. That said I was able to find that Bob Marley's birth date in Wikidata was incorrectly set to 6 April 1945, when in fact it is indeed 6 February 1945 as en.wp, de.wp, and it.wp where correctly reporting. (Fixed[2] now!) Thanks! Cristian [*] 265537 in it.wiki: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:BioBot [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [2] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q409diff=151644019oldid=151167823 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
Gerard Meijssen wrote: What is needed is a report that looks good enough for now and a public ie visible place to put it. Neat idea! There's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports, of course. In my experience, users don't really care what the report is titled or how it looks; they're much more concerned with accurate and up-to-date (read: actionable) report data. One of the benefits of using a wiki page is that wiki pages have pre-built notification structures (watchlists, RSS feeds, IRC feed, and e-mail). To this end, depending on who the relevant audience is of this report, updating multiple pages on local wikis may be a lot more fruitful. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Of course, if Infoboxes/Persondata on these Wikipedias were to use some Lua magic, biographies with e.g. mismatching birthdates could automatically be added to a maintenance category... We already do that for various infoboxes using Wikidata on cswiki. See categories under https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:%C3%9Adr%C5%BEba:Wikidata – e.g. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:%C3%9Adr%C5%BEba:OSM_relace_r%C5%AFzn%C3%A1_od_Wikidat lists articles linking to OpenStreetMap with a different OSM relation ID than listed in Wikidata. -- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
