Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-29 Thread camelia boban
I do not understand how from a general proposal for a Code of Conduct for user groups one goes on to talk about ideologies, personal retaliations, irony about the politic situation of the countries of those who comment etc. Here we are discussing together whether or not we have a shared CoC. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Dennis During
Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"? I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, but rather on behavior. I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Eduardo Testart
It should be, but I don't find this kind of comments particulary useful, since they doesn't seem to contribute to the overall discussion. I believe that a central or unique code of conduct that everyone adheres to, should be the most efficient way to go, if any particulairties are needed to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Dennis During
Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to, or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill? On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban wrote: > I agree a unique, inconfondible and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread camelia boban
I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles. Camelia -- *Camelia Boban* *| Java EE Developer |* *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Thomas An excellent idea, no doubt, but is multiplying codes of conduct really the best way forward? Would it not be better if the Foundation were to promulgate a single code of conduct covering all its projects and spaces, and then supplement that with individual guidelines in specific cases?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Paulo > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Shani, I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-26 Thread Shani Evenstein
Dear all, To all those who care about making Wikimedia projects a safe and harassment-free space, especially if you are coming from thematic User Groups -- Please take a look at the Code of Conduct draft for