Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[rupert THURNER]

abhinav,

i read that the membership fee is 100 INR, which is the price of a beer.
that sounds fair. how many members do you currently have? do you use the
annual fundraising page to let people know that they can become members
like e.g. wikimedia deutschland (WMDE) does? WMDE, by using this simple
strategy, were able to get 70'000 members with a population of 80 mio,
which makes them one of the biggest clubs in germany.

rupert


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:14 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> +1 Lodewijk -- I was thinking the same thing.
> Abhinav and Kirill: thanks each for sharing these public updates.
>
> On Mon., Jul. 15, 2019, 4:29 p.m. effe iets anders, <
> effeietsand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think it would be at the very least helpful to the wider community to
> > better understand that component. Could you spell out in a bit more
> detail
> > what those capacity concerns were, and what other findings may have
> > existed? This may especially be helpful to the India community, as it
> would
> > be especially hard to address the issues without a full understanding.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:03 AM Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Wikimedia-l readers,
> > >
> > >
> > > AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
> > > surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter,
> > and
> > > we would like to share more information around it. This decision was
> not
> > > taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
> > > suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring
> the
> > > chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status.
> We
> > > understand that volunteers would like more information about this
> > decision
> > > and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to
> provide
> > an
> > > overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.
> > >
> > > Wikimedia India has been given ample time to address their lack of
> > > compliance with minimum chapter expectations since their initial signs
> of
> > > non-compliance in 2015 and concerns presented to them during their 2015
> > > site visits, initial 2016 suspension, and most recent 2018 suspension
> > last
> > > November. The Wikimedia India Executive Committee (EC) has repeatedly
> > > failed to respond in a timely and complete manner to call requests,
> > annual
> > > reporting timelines, and remediation deadlines for demonstrating
> > > compliance.
> > >
> > > It is worth noting that there may be issues related to incomplete
> > > information regarding the current relationship between WMIN and AffCom.
> > > Abhinav is a current WMIN representative, but he was recently appointed
> > to
> > > the EC on June 14, 2019 [1] following the EC’s receipt of the final
> > > revocation notice sent on June 13, 2019. He was not informed of, nor
> did
> > he
> > > participate in, our communications regarding the current suspension
> > process
> > > before that time, so he has had to rely on second-hand knowledge of the
> > > situation. The remaining four members of the EC appear to have fully
> > > abdicated their responsibility for communications leadership and as
> such
> > > further confirm the chapter’s lack of capacity at this time.
> > >
> > > Suspension notices give explicit requirements for what and how to
> > > communicate with respect to a chapter’s capacity and provide a timeline
> > for
> > > addressing gaps to meet requirements. We’re providing a table
> reflecting
> > > the most recent suspension notice, the requirements included, and the
> > date
> > > they were to be delivered below for the community’s context:
> > >
> > > According to the suspension notice, Wikimedia India was to:
> > >
> > > Status
> > >
> > > Submit an Action Plan. By January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit
> an
> > > updated Action Plan including a timeline with dates for completing the
> > > tasks outlined.
> > >
> > > Submitted past deadline.
> > >
> > > Received on March 4, 2019.
> > >
> > > Insufficient response; awaiting new action plan for potential
> > > reorganization as outlined in April call.
> > >
> > > Complete and submit the required overdue chapter activities and
> financial
> > > reporting. The chapter was to submit the reporting by December 1, 2018.
> > >
> > > Submitted past deadline.
> > >
> > > Received Activities Report on December 3, 2018 and Financial Report on
> > > December 22, 2018.
> > >
> > > Develop a strategy and timeline for addressing the following potential
> > gaps
> > > in meeting the basic criteria for chapter status in terms of Legal
> > > Structure, Open Governance, Active Contributor Involvement, and
> Capacity.
> > > By
> > > January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit a plan, via email or posted
> > > online, demonstrating how the chapter meets the specific chapter
> > > requirements outlined. If the chapter does not currently meet 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[Samuel Klein]

+1 Lodewijk -- I was thinking the same thing.
Abhinav and Kirill: thanks each for sharing these public updates.

On Mon., Jul. 15, 2019, 4:29 p.m. effe iets anders, <
effeietsand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think it would be at the very least helpful to the wider community to
> better understand that component. Could you spell out in a bit more detail
> what those capacity concerns were, and what other findings may have
> existed? This may especially be helpful to the India community, as it would
> be especially hard to address the issues without a full understanding.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Warmly,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:03 AM Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedia-l readers,
> >
> >
> > AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
> > surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter,
> and
> > we would like to share more information around it. This decision was not
> > taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
> > suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring the
> > chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status. We
> > understand that volunteers would like more information about this
> decision
> > and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to provide
> an
> > overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.
> >
> > Wikimedia India has been given ample time to address their lack of
> > compliance with minimum chapter expectations since their initial signs of
> > non-compliance in 2015 and concerns presented to them during their 2015
> > site visits, initial 2016 suspension, and most recent 2018 suspension
> last
> > November. The Wikimedia India Executive Committee (EC) has repeatedly
> > failed to respond in a timely and complete manner to call requests,
> annual
> > reporting timelines, and remediation deadlines for demonstrating
> > compliance.
> >
> > It is worth noting that there may be issues related to incomplete
> > information regarding the current relationship between WMIN and AffCom.
> > Abhinav is a current WMIN representative, but he was recently appointed
> to
> > the EC on June 14, 2019 [1] following the EC’s receipt of the final
> > revocation notice sent on June 13, 2019. He was not informed of, nor did
> he
> > participate in, our communications regarding the current suspension
> process
> > before that time, so he has had to rely on second-hand knowledge of the
> > situation. The remaining four members of the EC appear to have fully
> > abdicated their responsibility for communications leadership and as such
> > further confirm the chapter’s lack of capacity at this time.
> >
> > Suspension notices give explicit requirements for what and how to
> > communicate with respect to a chapter’s capacity and provide a timeline
> for
> > addressing gaps to meet requirements. We’re providing a table reflecting
> > the most recent suspension notice, the requirements included, and the
> date
> > they were to be delivered below for the community’s context:
> >
> > According to the suspension notice, Wikimedia India was to:
> >
> > Status
> >
> > Submit an Action Plan. By January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit an
> > updated Action Plan including a timeline with dates for completing the
> > tasks outlined.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on March 4, 2019.
> >
> > Insufficient response; awaiting new action plan for potential
> > reorganization as outlined in April call.
> >
> > Complete and submit the required overdue chapter activities and financial
> > reporting. The chapter was to submit the reporting by December 1, 2018.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received Activities Report on December 3, 2018 and Financial Report on
> > December 22, 2018.
> >
> > Develop a strategy and timeline for addressing the following potential
> gaps
> > in meeting the basic criteria for chapter status in terms of Legal
> > Structure, Open Governance, Active Contributor Involvement, and Capacity.
> > By
> > January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit a plan, via email or posted
> > online, demonstrating how the chapter meets the specific chapter
> > requirements outlined. If the chapter does not currently meet the
> > requirements, they were to provide a plan and timeline for how to address
> > these issues before June.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on March 4, 2019.
> >
> > Insufficient response as detailed in April call.
> >
> >
> >
> > Resolve concerns related to organizational best practices. By May 1,
> 2019,
> > the chapter should be able to demonstrate that it is following the
> > Wikimedia Foundation Board’s recommendations for organizational best
> > practices
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Resolutions/Organizational_best_practices
> > >
> > .
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on June 4, 2019.
> >
> >
> >
> > More information on chapter requirements is 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[effe iets anders]

Thank you Kirill for outlining the procedural component. That is helpful,
and paints a better picture. I know Affcom us always balancing in a tough
position, not only between interests but also between different levels of
transparency expectations.

The piece of information that I'm struggling to extract/find without
interpreting and reading between the lines (which I prefer not to do in
such a complex case), is what the underlying complaints/findings were. I
understand that there were reporting violations - but I also read something
about capacity issues.

I think it would be at the very least helpful to the wider community to
better understand that component. Could you spell out in a bit more detail
what those capacity concerns were, and what other findings may have
existed? This may especially be helpful to the India community, as it would
be especially hard to address the issues without a full understanding.

Thank you!

Warmly,
Lodewijk

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:03 AM Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia-l readers,
>
>
> AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
> surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter, and
> we would like to share more information around it. This decision was not
> taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
> suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring the
> chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status. We
> understand that volunteers would like more information about this decision
> and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to provide an
> overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.
>
> Wikimedia India has been given ample time to address their lack of
> compliance with minimum chapter expectations since their initial signs of
> non-compliance in 2015 and concerns presented to them during their 2015
> site visits, initial 2016 suspension, and most recent 2018 suspension last
> November. The Wikimedia India Executive Committee (EC) has repeatedly
> failed to respond in a timely and complete manner to call requests, annual
> reporting timelines, and remediation deadlines for demonstrating
> compliance.
>
> It is worth noting that there may be issues related to incomplete
> information regarding the current relationship between WMIN and AffCom.
> Abhinav is a current WMIN representative, but he was recently appointed to
> the EC on June 14, 2019 [1] following the EC’s receipt of the final
> revocation notice sent on June 13, 2019. He was not informed of, nor did he
> participate in, our communications regarding the current suspension process
> before that time, so he has had to rely on second-hand knowledge of the
> situation. The remaining four members of the EC appear to have fully
> abdicated their responsibility for communications leadership and as such
> further confirm the chapter’s lack of capacity at this time.
>
> Suspension notices give explicit requirements for what and how to
> communicate with respect to a chapter’s capacity and provide a timeline for
> addressing gaps to meet requirements. We’re providing a table reflecting
> the most recent suspension notice, the requirements included, and the date
> they were to be delivered below for the community’s context:
>
> According to the suspension notice, Wikimedia India was to:
>
> Status
>
> Submit an Action Plan. By January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit an
> updated Action Plan including a timeline with dates for completing the
> tasks outlined.
>
> Submitted past deadline.
>
> Received on March 4, 2019.
>
> Insufficient response; awaiting new action plan for potential
> reorganization as outlined in April call.
>
> Complete and submit the required overdue chapter activities and financial
> reporting. The chapter was to submit the reporting by December 1, 2018.
>
> Submitted past deadline.
>
> Received Activities Report on December 3, 2018 and Financial Report on
> December 22, 2018.
>
> Develop a strategy and timeline for addressing the following potential gaps
> in meeting the basic criteria for chapter status in terms of Legal
> Structure, Open Governance, Active Contributor Involvement, and Capacity.
> By
> January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit a plan, via email or posted
> online, demonstrating how the chapter meets the specific chapter
> requirements outlined. If the chapter does not currently meet the
> requirements, they were to provide a plan and timeline for how to address
> these issues before June.
>
> Submitted past deadline.
>
> Received on March 4, 2019.
>
> Insufficient response as detailed in April call.
>
>
>
> Resolve concerns related to organizational best practices. By May 1, 2019,
> the chapter should be able to demonstrate that it is following the
> Wikimedia Foundation Board’s recommendations for organizational best
> practices
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Resolutions/Organizational_best_practices
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[Yohann Thomas]

Dear Krill,



Thanks for writing & finally opening up to the community on this topic. Let
me add some more to this, so that the global community can understand the
actual situation Wikimedia India (WMIN) is in now right now, in a more
in-depth way.



Ofcourse, before going forward I need to mention very clearly that the
contents of what, I am writing below, is in my personal capacity as a
volunteer.



While Affcom continues to claim, India Chapter lacks capacity, WMIN would
continue to contest all its reports are in order (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_India#Wikimedia_India
) and let's not forget they are zero-budget.and also self-financed. Your
letter further says that the board had abdicated from communication and
handed over to Abhinav. The board had also previously communicated with the
Affcom on their suspension notice stating it has been on flawed basis and
made in secrecy.  What Abhinav has essentially asked is to put all
information in public domain and let it be for the community to review.
Everyone might not know, but Abhinav has been a board member earlier &
everything has been briefed to him with facts as cited  in previous mail.
Affcom initially in their private mail and now today continue to ignore
facts on transparency and continue to blame change in communication
leadership



Why can't Affcom reply on facts and evidences and also be transparent ?



To make our global audience more aware on the situation of not-for-profits
organisations in India, I would want them to see this article <
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/07/democracies-need-a-little-help-from-their-friends/
>.



There are truckloads of many more such information, on trouble with the
government. Since 2015, not-for profit organisations are under severe
scrutiny and I myself have had police officials doing check up on me at my
work place. Of course, as volunteers , we are ready to undergo these
hardships, for the betterment of the movement. But when we don't receive
basic mutual respect as an organisation from WMF, that's when it becomes
discouraging.



I was communicating with AffCom since we received the suspension notice in
November 2018 and I was also leading the April 2019 Con-call . I honestly
think that the any communication that happens between two individuals or
groups, goes ahead with mutual respect for one another. When we provide
justifications on mail, they don't reply us and ask us to be on Con-Call,
on con-call they hear us but don't take anything in action and our
responses on con-call remain not documented.



I did not see that respect from WMF to WMIN  and I don't blame them,  since
they have the other affiliate Centre of Internet & Society (CIS-A2K) , an
affiliate who has all paid employees , working full time on Wikimedia
projects in India.

If it were any other country,where WMIN was the sole affiliate, our voice
would have been better heard better and we would have been treated better.
Our annual reports were only delayed by 3.5 months due to government
bureaucracy which was delaying submission of our final financial results
(although we don't have enough funds, Chapter is mandated to share its
financial statement).

In the meantime, our quarterly reports were in line and also shared with
the wider community. There are so many affiliates who delay their
submission, so many of those affiliates have an annual budget and also
staff, WMIN had no such comfort but still it received this treatment.



I dont know what is the future of WMIN, but I can say one thing for sure
that as a board member, WMIN has been treated in bad faith by Affiliations
Committee. When thousands of NGOs struggle with a crisis and Affcom comes
up with statements, 'no evidence that the current organization’s leadership
will be able to drive this problem toward resolution”.' Why can't they see
that the same Chapter has been undergoing activities in such hard
circumstances without any funding.



 Affcom should know that even after suspension notice, WMIN is indulging in
programmatic activities and they should know till 13th September they would
find us working & serving our purpose.


Regards,

Yohann Thomas


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:33 PM Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia-l readers,
>
>
> AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
> surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter, and
> we would like to share more information around it. This decision was not
> taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
> suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring the
> chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status. We
> understand that volunteers would like more information about this decision
> and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to provide an
> overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.
>
> Wikimedia India has been given ample 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[Kirill Lokshin]

Dear Wikimedia-l readers,


AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter, and
we would like to share more information around it. This decision was not
taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring the
chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status. We
understand that volunteers would like more information about this decision
and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to provide an
overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.

Wikimedia India has been given ample time to address their lack of
compliance with minimum chapter expectations since their initial signs of
non-compliance in 2015 and concerns presented to them during their 2015
site visits, initial 2016 suspension, and most recent 2018 suspension last
November. The Wikimedia India Executive Committee (EC) has repeatedly
failed to respond in a timely and complete manner to call requests, annual
reporting timelines, and remediation deadlines for demonstrating
compliance.

It is worth noting that there may be issues related to incomplete
information regarding the current relationship between WMIN and AffCom.
Abhinav is a current WMIN representative, but he was recently appointed to
the EC on June 14, 2019 [1] following the EC’s receipt of the final
revocation notice sent on June 13, 2019. He was not informed of, nor did he
participate in, our communications regarding the current suspension process
before that time, so he has had to rely on second-hand knowledge of the
situation. The remaining four members of the EC appear to have fully
abdicated their responsibility for communications leadership and as such
further confirm the chapter’s lack of capacity at this time.

Suspension notices give explicit requirements for what and how to
communicate with respect to a chapter’s capacity and provide a timeline for
addressing gaps to meet requirements. We’re providing a table reflecting
the most recent suspension notice, the requirements included, and the date
they were to be delivered below for the community’s context:

According to the suspension notice, Wikimedia India was to:

Status

Submit an Action Plan. By January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit an
updated Action Plan including a timeline with dates for completing the
tasks outlined.

Submitted past deadline.

Received on March 4, 2019.

Insufficient response; awaiting new action plan for potential
reorganization as outlined in April call.

Complete and submit the required overdue chapter activities and financial
reporting. The chapter was to submit the reporting by December 1, 2018.

Submitted past deadline.

Received Activities Report on December 3, 2018 and Financial Report on
December 22, 2018.

Develop a strategy and timeline for addressing the following potential gaps
in meeting the basic criteria for chapter status in terms of Legal
Structure, Open Governance, Active Contributor Involvement, and Capacity. By
January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit a plan, via email or posted
online, demonstrating how the chapter meets the specific chapter
requirements outlined. If the chapter does not currently meet the
requirements, they were to provide a plan and timeline for how to address
these issues before June.

Submitted past deadline.

Received on March 4, 2019.

Insufficient response as detailed in April call.



Resolve concerns related to organizational best practices. By May 1, 2019,
the chapter should be able to demonstrate that it is following the
Wikimedia Foundation Board’s recommendations for organizational best
practices

.

Submitted past deadline.

Received on June 4, 2019.



More information on chapter requirements is also available on Meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Requirements

Although the Affiliations Committee has decided not to renew this chapter
agreement, this does not reduce the importance of the Republic of India to
the Wikimedia movement. We regret that this action has become necessary due
to the chapter’s failure to meet the requirements of continued recognition,
as outlined in the table above. We would also like to reaffirm the
committee’s deep and continued commitment to support affiliates in India
across geographies and languages.

As we have previously indicated, all rights and permissions granted by the
Wikimedia Foundation to Wikimedia India in the Chapter Agreement will be
revoked as of the termination of the agreement on September 14, 2019. In
the meantime, we will continue to engage with Abhinav and the executive
committee of Wikimedia India privately until we can align on a public
communication plan and process to transition the chapter from its current
recognition status. We will continue to discuss whether and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

[Lane Rasberry]

Hello,

I do not have all the answers and mostly I want more information myself!

I am sympathetic to Wikimedia India's situation. Personally, I agree with
Abhinav about all these things. I will not make judgements about right and
wrong or correct and incorrect, but for anyone who is just joining the
Wikimedia Movement conversation about India, here are what I identify as
the recurring conflicts between the WMF and the wiki India community since
~2010.

spending money in India without community participation
The Wikimedia Foundation makes large financial investments in India without
being open about it and without getting Wikimedia community buy-in. The
biggest projects rely on paid staff who will not collaborate with any
existing Wikimedia community members.

asking the India community to avoid public conversation
The Wikimedia Foundation continually requests closed conversation about any
conflict or controversy in India. The WMF argument is that discretion helps
resolve the issue. The downside is that lack of documentation keeps the
various Indian Wiki people from becoming aware that the problems repeat
themselves. A very discouraging situation is when multiple communities in
India all have the same problem, and the WMF has asked them all to be quiet
about it, telling them each that they were the only ones having this
problem. If they come to know they each experienced the same problem with
the same request for silence, then they are all discouraged.

cultural blunders
The Wikimedia Foundation makes decisions without the participation of the
local community and therefore makes blunders when trying to do things for
the local community. In a typical blunder, the WMF will spend lots of money
doing something which makes sense in the Western world but which makes no
sense in India. The local community gets shocked by the waste of money and
simultaneously wonders about other WMF investment in India.

If I made one request for intervention, it would be for the WMF to report
all financial and labor investment in India for the past 10 years and going
forward annually. If the money was public then I think all the other
challenges would come into open conversation as well. Here for example is a
video from 10 years ago where Jimbo mentions the Wikimedia Foundation
office in India.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXD1TRGafQ0=youtu.be=150
The WMF has a unique relationship with India and it would be helpful that
if there is to be investment then the money should be in the open.
Strangely - at the same time as the WMF is shutting down Wikimedia India,
it is also making a major push to do fundraising in India. This came out
just a few days ago.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-July/014194.html

What Abhinav is talking about in his letter is the Wikimedia Affiliations
Committee suspending recognition of Wikimedia India in September. There are
a lot of good people in the Wikimedia India chapter who report being
disturbed by the WMF's treatment of them. I do not blame the WMF exactly,
but no one can go into a foreign culture and expect it to adapt. The part
about this that bothers me the most is the years of precedent of only
talking about India-related challenges in secret. AffCom and the WMF are
silent about problems. See the talk pages - there is nothing there -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_India
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliations_Committee
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/News

Losing a chapter is a big deal! Where is the discussion about this?

What is the Wikimedia community supposed to think, and how are we supposed
to respond, if we hear that the Wikimedia chapter in India is closing but
there are no on-wiki records of problems and no discussion about this?
Wikimedia India is a community of our colleagues, how do we help? Of course
I do not want the chapter to get a punishment especially without public
discussion.

If anyone wants to get involved, check out Wikimedia India's reports and
comment about them on the main Wikimedia India talk page.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_India#Wikimedia_India
If they look to be in order then say so.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_India
Anything to start a conversation helps.

yours,


On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 4:50 AM Abhinav srivastava 
wrote:

> Dear Friends From Affcom,
>
> I am posting an open public request for your notice of Suspension moved at
> Wikimedia India (WMIN) which we continue to contest and to our ignored
> demand of having a public hearing as shared with you all over mail and
> shared again here under Annexure [A]. You have taken an official position
> on suspension without even hearing us even once, unexplained accusations
> have been provided and we continue to believe Affcom has been
> insufficiently investigating facts before making judgements. We repeatedly
> over and over again provided justifications over Mail but you never