Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-15 Thread Pine W
Hi Christophe, Thanks. Your email is more than I expected on a weekend. Board members get to have AFK time too. There are people (both Wikimedians and WMFers) who need to deal with emergencies of various kinds (primarily technical or safety) whenever those happen, and community activity needs to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-15 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey, As you said you've asked the question during the week-end ^^ Things are moving forward but I'll let Katherine answer the question as she'll be able a way better answer than me (I talk about that topic nearly every week with Katherine, it is a high priority topic for all of us). Please bare

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-15 Thread Pine W
Returning to one of the original subjects of this thread, which wasn't intended to be controversial: can we get an update about how the C level hiring schedule looks? I realize that I asked this questiom on the weekend. There is no rush to get an answer. "We're still thinking about this but will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Pine W
Pete, I'm intentionally anonymizing communications that happened in private. But yes, I agree that it would be best if there was public discussion about this subject from people who are more directly involved in it. If that needs to go through chain of command (up to Katherine if necessary) to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Pete Forsyth
Pine, maybe so, but if that's what you're going for, your best move might be to privately urge the people who have talked to you to come forward publicly -- rather than you sharing their words without attribution or context. The information that came through from your message is, "Pine asserts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Pine W
Discussing an organization's strengths and weaknesses, transparently, should be the norm for how business is done. Keeping quiet about problems is sometimes necessary, but transparency should be the norm. Pine On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Pine W wrote: > I agree that there can be a benefit to internal promotions in the sense > that less onboarding is required. On the other hand, sometimes a fresh > perspective is helpful, and at least one of the interim Cs has been >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Pine W
If it is the case that normal C-level churn was significantly accelerated by the choice of ED (which makes sense to me; I had previously heard this explicitly only with regard to one former C) then this is another reason that I hope that there will be some reflection by the Board about what went

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Vi to
+1 on train & promote. Vito 2016-08-14 4:38 GMT+02:00 James Heilman : > Only the CTO position is empty. All of the rest are filled with very > competent interims who may simply be transitioned into permanent. I like it > that people who prove themselves to be excellent can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 4:22 AM, Pine W wrote: > > I am also wondering about what can be done to keep C levels after we get > them. The implicit assertion that this is a problem we generally suffer from is, I think, incorrect. We have generally not had difficulty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-13 Thread Pine W
I agree that there can be a benefit to internal promotions in the sense that less onboarding is required. On the other hand, sometimes a fresh perspective is helpful, and at least one of the interim Cs has been insistent that they want to return to their previous job. Also, while people are in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-13 Thread James Heilman
Only the CTO position is empty. All of the rest are filled with very competent interims who may simply be transitioned into permanent. I like it that people who prove themselves to be excellent can move up within the WMF and think that this is often better than hiring from outside. James On Sat,