Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-26 Thread James Salsman
I have another question about that document: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Foundation_Policy_and_Political_Association_Guideline In particular, I believe this part is out of date: > Legislative Activities (Lobbying) > > At the federal level, there are serious restrictions on lobbying,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 16:44, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand wrote: > > > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association > > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA > > Link, please. A link has been provided,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand wrote: > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA Link, please. -- Andy Mabbett@pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread John Erling Blad
Can everyone please calm down. This is (nearly) only hyperbole. Thank you. /jeblad On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:51 AM Fæ wrote: > OPEN LETTER > > Dear Katherine Maher, > > The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org) > yesterday featured a full-page banner directing all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread James Salsman
> the Foundation's Policy and Political Association Guideline, which > was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA to iron > out clear boundaries on activism, explicitly rules out any political > activism relating to environmental issues, stating: >> Policy and political associations should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mario Gómez wrote: > As far as I know, criticism of political lobbying by the WMF is generally > frowned upon here. Including aspersion casting against critics. > Um, what? As a (volunteer) list administrator of this mailing list, and indeed a (paid) Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread
Thanks to Greg for the quick official response from the WMF which includes the active recognition and acceptance of the problem. The open letter was also published on meta at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website#Website_full_page_banner_promoting_EarthdayLive2020.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Mario Gómez
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:51 AM Fæ wrote: > > Could you, or the responsible member of your management team, please > explain exactly how this happened? > > As far as I know, criticism of political lobbying by the WMF is generally frowned upon here. Including aspersion casting against critics. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Todd Allen
Had the WMF just mentioned Earth Day, I don't think there would have been any trouble with that. The issue here is the support of an explicitly political organization, not just of Earth Day. I can't imagine anyone could have had an issue with an anodyne banner saying something like "Remember our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Frank Schulenburg
Given that this page https://www.earthdaylive2020.org/vote/ clearly aims at influencing the election of political candidates to public office and "build political pressure", can we expect the Wikimedia Foundation to file Form 1120-POL as mandated by the IRS?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Everyone supports Earth Day. Earth Day Live was confusingly different... in a strange time. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:42 PM Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Adding onto this, it appears the WMF is proudly and publicly displayed on > the participants, which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, this is about different things. One is an opinion about Earth Day, one is an opinion about the organization behind a specific event, and one is an opinion about whether the WMF should link to this specific event. For example, I am not against protecting the climate. I might have some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
We have this article as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day_Live Best Yaroslav On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:31 PM Michael Peel wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day is not the same as > https://www.earthdaylive2020.org/ - but the link was to the latter. > > Thanks, > Mike >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Michael Peel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day is not the same as https://www.earthdaylive2020.org/ - but the link was to the latter. Thanks, Mike > On 24 Apr 2020, at 21:26, Robert Fernandez wrote: > > FFS who is against Earth Day? Every organization and company > probably mentions it or observes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Robert Fernandez
FFS who is against Earth Day? Every organization and company probably mentions it or observes it in some way. Get over yourselves. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
It has been deleted. They TL has some RTs done in the previous days. From: Wikimedia-l on behalf of Gereon Kalkuhl Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:47 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism The Twitter link does

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Gereon Kalkuhl
To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism The concept "apolitical" does not exist if there is a goal. Nevertheless, for the future, a link to the article about "Earth" in all the languages Wikimedia has would be the best soluti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l
Gregory, Thank you for your response. I am happy to hear that the intent was apolitical. However, it was quite clear from the minute the campaign went live that they had no intention of being apolitical. Though most of the political propaganda was propagated by people in the live-streams, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Mmm... again? https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1253670025426202624 From: Wikimedia-l on behalf of Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:26 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism The concept

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Rand Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:27 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism This would not have happened had there been any oversight (community or otherwise), and it could have been pulled down quickly enough had there been any community members with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Yair Rand
This would not have happened had there been any oversight (community or otherwise), and it could have been pulled down quickly enough had there been any community members with the ability to edit the site. Perhaps it's time to reconsider how the WMF corporate site operates. I appreciate that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-23 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:18 AM Gregory Varnum wrote: > > Having said that, we agree with some of the criticisms you have raised. We > had understood the Earth Day Live campaign to be both global and > apolitical. However, we agree that the final campaign was both more > US-centric and more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-23 Thread Gregory Varnum
Hi all, I am responding on behalf of the Foundation in my capacity handling movement communications, including managing any campaigns on wikimediafoundation.org. As others from the Foundation have stated on this mailing list in the past, from time to time the Wikimedia Foundation engages in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-23 Thread Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l
Adding onto this, it appears the WMF is proudly and publicly displayed on the participants, which may as well be endorsements, page for Earth Day Live: https://www.earthdaylive2020.org/get-involved/ I'm simply astounded by this. Never would I have expected the WMF to take such a strong political

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-23 Thread RhinosF1 -
Should this be posted on wiki for others to sign? Samuel On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 07:51, Fæ wrote: > OPEN LETTER > > Dear Katherine Maher, > > The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org) > yesterday featured a full-page banner directing all visitors globally > to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism, yet again

2020-04-22 Thread K. Peachey
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T250508 On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 09:53, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l wrote: > > Hi, > > It seems that they just gave a link to that website, which...eh... > When I opened it, I heard one sentence of the stream before I stopped it > and read the rest of the webpage:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism, yet again

2020-04-22 Thread Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l
Hi, It seems that they just gave a link to that website, which...eh... When I opened it, I heard one sentence of the stream before I stopped it and read the rest of the webpage: "and then we give thanks to spirit, for the air we breathe, for the earth..." After reading the rest of the webpage, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism, yet again

2020-04-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I can confirm that I see the same also here in the Netherlands. Which is strange, there are no general elections here before 2021... An explanation about this link would be interesting. Kind regards Ziko Am Mi., 22. Apr. 2020 um 22:50 Uhr schrieb Yair Rand : > The WMF corporate site