Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-28 Thread Olaniyan Olushola 
This is wonderful,‎

I want a ED with following attributes:

1. Someone that is grounded in global politics ‎as it affects the operations of 
the movement. 
2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation .
3. ‎Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 
4. Someone with foresight.
5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different 
people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in 
wikimedia foundation.  
6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities 
within the  Wikimedia Foundation. . 
7.Team player.
8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of 
WMT and the community.
9. Peace maker and bold person. 
10. A creative minded ED 
11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities.  
12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision.
13. Proactive

Olaniyan Olushola
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What kind of ED would you like to see?

* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
on how to "edit" wikis.

* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.

* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking
in that sector..

* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.

* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their
policies, views and choices onto the latter.

* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to
dictate the job for them..

* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
issue like 'super-protect' ever again)


That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive
DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"

On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier <g...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
>> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
>> the ED/Management.
>
> I think you're misinterpreting.
>
> The agree/disagree statement was:
> "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> motivates me" (7% agree)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
>
> See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> so."
>
> So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
>
> This is getting off topic, however.
>
> The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> needed in an ED.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread David Goodman 
The critical role of the head of an organization which nobody else can
perform in the appointment , coordination,  and retention of the senior
staff who directly report to her.  Everythign else listed can in principal
at least be done by others. But in some organizations the Board also has a
role in at least approving such appointments; I do not know what is the
situation at the WMF.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Olaniyan Olushola <olaniyansh...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> This is wonderful,
>
> I want a ED with following attributes:
>
> 1. Someone that is grounded in global politics ‎as it affects the
> operations of the movement.
> 2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia
> foundation .
> 3. ‎Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies
> 4. Someone with foresight.
> 5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of
> different people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions
> encompasses in wikimedia foundation.
> 6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the
> communities within the  Wikimedia Foundation. .
> 7.Team player.
> 8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT,
> staff of WMT and the community.
> 9. Peace maker and bold person.
> 10. A creative minded ED
> 11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities.
> 12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision.
> 13. Proactive
>
> Olaniyan Olushola
> Team Lead, WUGN
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message
> From: Comet styles
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 3:55 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Reply To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
>
> What kind of ED would you like to see?
>
> * Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
> on how to "edit" wikis.
>
> * Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
> bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
>
> * Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
> creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking
> in that sector..
>
> * Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
> secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
>
> * Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
> community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their
> policies, views and choices onto the latter.
>
> * Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
> community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to
> dictate the job for them..
>
> * Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
> issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
>
>
> That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive
> DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
>
> On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier <g...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
> >> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
> from
> >> the ED/Management.
> >
> > I think you're misinterpreting.
> >
> > The agree/disagree statement was:
> > "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> > motivates me" (7% agree)
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
> >
> > See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> > "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> > so."
> >
> > So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> > ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
> >
> > This is getting off topic, however.
> >
> > The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> > agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> > collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> > needed in an ED.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > --
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> > | identi.ca: @greg A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread Olaniyan Olushola 
This is wonderful,

I want a ED with following attributes:

1. Someone that is grounded in global politics ‎as it affects the operations of 
the movement. 
2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation .
3. ‎Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 
4. Someone with foresight.
5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different 
people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in 
wikimedia foundation.  
6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities 
within the  Wikimedia Foundation. . 
7.Team player.
8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of 
WMT and the community.
9. Peace maker and bold person. 
10. A creative minded ED 
11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities.  
12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision.
13. Proactive

Olaniyan Olushola
Team Lead, WUGN
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

What kind of ED would you like to see?

* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
on how to "edit" wikis.

* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.

* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking
in that sector..

* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.

* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their
policies, views and choices onto the latter.

* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to
dictate the job for them..

* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
issue like 'super-protect' ever again)


That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive
DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"

On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier <g...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
>> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
>> the ED/Management.
>
> I think you're misinterpreting.
>
> The agree/disagree statement was:
> "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> motivates me" (7% agree)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
>
> See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> so."
>
> So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
>
> This is getting off topic, however.
>
> The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> needed in an ED.
>
> Greg
>
> --
> | Greg Grossmeier GPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E |
> | identi.ca: @greg A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole 
Balázs Viczián, regarding "First as interim (as a 'probation period') then
if the staff feedback meets the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key
areas, as permanent."

Well, staff feedback and after independent, critical assessment from each
board member. Earlier in this thread, I think, Pete Forsyth recommends that
the interim ED be clearly and purely an interim, not a probationary ED, and
I'm persuaded by his arguments.

Anthony Cole


On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Balázs Viczián  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> reading all the above, my 2 cents would be: Internal promotion (in a
> broader sense: a current or ex-employee or someone 'close and experienced
> enough').
>
> First as interim (as a 'probation period') then if the staff feedback meets
> the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key areas, as permanent.
>
> Balazs
> 2016.02.27. 5:24, "George Herbert"  ezt írta:
>
> > On the Vision thing -
> >
> > There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.
> >
> > The leader should articulate theirs.  The organizational one needs to
> come
> > from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that
> process.
> >
> > George William Herbert
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
> > >> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
> > from
> > >> the ED/Management.
> > >
> > > I think you're misinterpreting.
> > >
> > > The agree/disagree statement was:
> > > "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> > > motivates me"  (7% agree)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
> > >
> > > See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> > > "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> > > so."
> > >
> > > So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> > > ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
> > >
> > > This is getting off topic, however.
> > >
> > > The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> > > agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> > > collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency
> is
> > > needed in an ED.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > --
> > > | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E |
> > > | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread Olaniyan Olushola 
This is wonderful,

I want a ED with following attributes:

1. Someone that is grounded in global politics ‎as it affects the operations of 
the movement. 
2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation .
3. ‎Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 
4. Someone with foresight.
5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different 
people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in 
wikimedia foundation.  
6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities 
within the  Wikimedia Foundation. . 
7.Team player.
8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of 
WMT and the community.
9. Peace maker and bold person. 
10. A creative minded ED 
11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities.   ‎
12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision.
13. Proactive ‎

Olaniyan Olushola
Team Lead, WUGN

‎
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What kind of ED would you like to see?

* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
on how to "edit" wikis.

* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.

* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking
in that sector..

* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.

* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their
policies, views and choices onto the latter.

* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to
dictate the job for them..

* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
issue like 'super-protect' ever again)


That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive
DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"

On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier <g...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
>> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
>> the ED/Management.
>
> I think you're misinterpreting.
>
> The agree/disagree statement was:
> "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> motivates me" (7% agree)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
>
> See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> so."
>
> So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
>
> This is getting off topic, however.
>
> The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> needed in an ED.
>
> Greg
>
> --
> | Greg Grossmeier GPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E |
> | identi.ca: @greg A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread Balázs Viczián 
Hi all,

reading all the above, my 2 cents would be: Internal promotion (in a
broader sense: a current or ex-employee or someone 'close and experienced
enough').

First as interim (as a 'probation period') then if the staff feedback meets
the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key areas, as permanent.

Balazs
2016.02.27. 5:24, "George Herbert"  ezt írta:

> On the Vision thing -
>
> There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.
>
> The leader should articulate theirs.  The organizational one needs to come
> from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that process.
>
> George William Herbert
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
> >> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
> from
> >> the ED/Management.
> >
> > I think you're misinterpreting.
> >
> > The agree/disagree statement was:
> > "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> > motivates me"  (7% agree)
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
> >
> > See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> > "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> > so."
> >
> > So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> > ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
> >
> > This is getting off topic, however.
> >
> > The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> > agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> > collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> > needed in an ED.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > --
> > | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E |
> > | identi.ca: @gregA18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D |
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread George Herbert 
On the Vision thing -

There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.

The leader should articulate theirs.  The organizational one needs to come from 
everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that process.

George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
>> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
>> the ED/Management.
> 
> I think you're misinterpreting.
> 
> The agree/disagree statement was:
> "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> motivates me"  (7% agree)
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
> 
> See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> so."
> 
> So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
> 
> This is getting off topic, however.
> 
> The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> needed in an ED.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Comet styles 
What kind of ED would you like to see?

* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
on how to "edit" wikis.

* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.

* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking
in that sector..

* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.

* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their
policies, views and choices onto the latter.

* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to
dictate the job for them..

* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
 issue like 'super-protect' ever again)


That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive
DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"

On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier  wrote:
> 
>> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
>> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
>> the ED/Management.
>
> I think you're misinterpreting.
>
> The agree/disagree statement was:
> "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
> motivates me"  (7% agree)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale
>
> See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
> "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
> so."
>
> So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
> ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
>
> This is getting off topic, however.
>
> The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
> agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
> collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
> needed in an ED.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Garry 
On 26 February 2016 at 16:57, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> Should only the staff have a say in this vision?  Almost all, if not all,
> of this talk is about what the staff wants.
>

You are correct that non-staff should have a say in the vision, of course.
It affects everyone in the movement, as well as our readers.

However, as the staff have been and will be more directly involved with the
Executive Director on a day-to-day level, it seems sensible to consider
such viewpoints carefully.

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Greg Grossmeier 

> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
> the ED/Management.

I think you're misinterpreting.

The agree/disagree statement was:
"Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that
motivates me"  (7% agree)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes#WMF_staff_morale

See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well:
"The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or
so."

So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the
ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.

This is getting off topic, however.

The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you
agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together
collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is
needed in an ED.

Greg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter 
Should only the staff have a say in this vision?  Almost all, if not all, of 
this talk is about what the staff wants.  




> From: yastrak...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 03:45:28 +0300
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
> 
> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
> results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
> the ED/Management.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Greg Grossmeier <g...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not
> > > provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership,
> > > that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader,
> > > without providing any clear vision themselves.  So is vision no longer a
> > > requirement from the ED?
> >
> > Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.
> >
> > Greg
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan 
Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the
results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from
the ED/Management.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Greg Grossmeier  wrote:

> 
> > Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not
> > provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership,
> > that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader,
> > without providing any clear vision themselves.  So is vision no longer a
> > requirement from the ED?
>
> Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Greg Grossmeier 

> Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not
> provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership,
> that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader,
> without providing any clear vision themselves.  So is vision no longer a
> requirement from the ED?

Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.

Greg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan 
Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not
provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership,
that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader,
without providing any clear vision themselves.  So is vision no longer a
requirement from the ED?

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:01 AM, Subramanya Sastry 
wrote:

> On 02/26/2016 05:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>
>> I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED,
>>
>
> Having more of an attitude stewardship over leadership .. i.e. this is not
> a place or space to primarily fulfil personal ambitions.
>
> Subbu.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Subramanya Sastry 

On 02/26/2016 05:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote:

I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED,


Having more of an attitude stewardship over leadership .. i.e. this is 
not a place or space to primarily fulfil personal ambitions.


Subbu.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier 

On 2016-02-26 6:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote:

I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what
kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people.


Above all, and foremost amongst any quality an ED should have is to be 
an *excellent* communicator.  I see the primary role of the ED as the 
facilitator-in-chief - it's a little insane to gather around oneself the 
best minds to do a job and then try to do that job oneself.


-- Coren / Marc

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