Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Deborah Tankersley]

Hi Sam,

We're glad you're using the Portal page more than usual and we hope that
with upcoming future enhancements, you'll continue to enjoy it!

For your first question - we are currently focusing on the wikipedia.org
portal page at this time. We have no immediate plans to update the
individual wiki's with this code but that doesn't mean that anyone in the
community can't use our code to update another wiki to use the meta data
and images as we did, in the search results.

For your second question, we actually have a ticket
 open to look for input exactly
like that. When a user types in a few words that are not in the language
that has been previously selected, we're hoping to be able to switch to
that "new" language on the fly. I agree that it'll be a very neat feature
for us to have on the portal!

Thanks for your input!

Cheers,

Deb

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Klein  wrote:

> I'm using the portal much more these days!  Two thoughts, a few days in:
>
> = Is there a way to turn on thumbnailing on the individual language wikis
> too?
>
> = Auto-suggesting language based on charset would be nice.  when searching
> in multiple languages I always forget once to switch to the target language
> and end up getting search results for kanji on he.wp or for hebrew on ja.wp
>
> Thanks, SJ
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:25 AM, Michael Jahn 
> wrote:
>
> > I've played around a bit. Feels very cool!
> > Michael
> >
> > 2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley  >:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> > >  portal page with a brand new search box that
> is
> > > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as
> available)
> > in
> > > the search results (see attached image).
> > >
> > > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript
> > enabled
> > > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when
> > choosing
> > > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will
> > not
> > > be displayed.)
> > >
> > > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search
> > box.
> > > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will
> be
> > > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer
> to
> > > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot
> of
> > > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> > >
> > > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> > >
> > > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> > >
> > > Deb
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Sam Klein]

I'm using the portal much more these days!  Two thoughts, a few days in:

= Is there a way to turn on thumbnailing on the individual language wikis
too?

= Auto-suggesting language based on charset would be nice.  when searching
in multiple languages I always forget once to switch to the target language
and end up getting search results for kanji on he.wp or for hebrew on ja.wp

Thanks, SJ

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:25 AM, Michael Jahn 
wrote:

> I've played around a bit. Feels very cool!
> Michael
>
> 2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley :
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> >  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available)
> in
> > the search results (see attached image).
> >
> > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript
> enabled
> > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when
> choosing
> > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will
> not
> > be displayed.)
> >
> > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search
> box.
> > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> >
> > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> >
> > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > --
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> > Product Manager, Discovery
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Deborah Tankersley]

Hello,

We disabled this small feature on the wikipedia.org portal page because it
essentially didn't work; due to a bug in the API that it uses. We
documented it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126409 and on the
Portal Improvements page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia.org_Portal_Improvements#Minor_updates_to_the_Portal_page
.

Cheers,

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 2:41 PM, MF-Warburg 
wrote:

> What happened to the search box "Find Wikipedia in your language"?
>
> 2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley :
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> >  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available)
> in
> > the search results (see attached image).
> >
> > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript
> enabled
> > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when
> choosing
> > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will
> not
> > be displayed.)
> >
> > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search
> box.
> > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> >
> > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> >
> > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> >
> > Deb
> >
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[MF-Warburg]

What happened to the search box "Find Wikipedia in your language"?

2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley :

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (see attached image).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> one of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Michael Jahn]

I've played around a bit. Feels very cool!
Michael

2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley :

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (see attached image).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> one of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Steinsplitter Wiki]

Wow! Cool. Thanks!

:-)

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> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:01:34 -0700
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> 
> Thank you. Great work.
> /a
> 
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
> dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
> > <http://wikipedia.org/> portal page with a brand new search box that is
> > more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> > the search results (see attached image).
> >
> > This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> > JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> > browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> > ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> > Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> > a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> > browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> > be displayed.)
> >
> > We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> > Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> > When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> > displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> > search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> > one of the ways we test our code, visually.
> >
> > We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> >
> > On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
> >
> > Deb
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Anna Stillwell]

Thank you. Great work.
/a

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (see attached image).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> one of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Samuel Klein]

On Mar 11, 2016 19:32, "Dan Garry"  wrote:
>
> I plan to worry more about the user experience implications that I
> mentioned once we're a bit closer to solving the technical feasibility
> questions.

Fair enough! Great once more to see this update. It makes this a much more
engaging page to set as a browser default on public machines.

Sj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

Let me elaborate my case a little bit:

Here is the scenario:

*I spent a lot of time luring fresh internet users into the terrains of
free knowledge, principally WM projects, and specifically WP, in a bustling
Global South region, interlaced with several local language projects.
*I have always treated Wikipedia, first for the readers, next for the
builders. Without more people becoming readers, there is no way more
builders turn in.

*Most of these people are aware that Google will fetch them needed
information quickly.
*A nominal percentage of them are aware that there is Wikipedia, in English.
*A thin percentage knows that there is wikipedia (however thin they may
be), in their native language too. If only they knew, they would even be
eager to explore more and venture into enriching it further (as new
editors). (Editing English Wikipedia is too complicated,  and bureaucratic,
let's admit it!. esp. if a topic is only of local interest and notability)

*Many among them are quite good in handling their native language. Some are
good in reading and comprehending English. But thin is the population who
can use English as a creative writing language.
*Most people use a PC or Mobile device which is not necessarily equipped
with their native language IME and/or rendering features. Most often, they
can read a web page in their language but can't type in (for want of a
suitable IME). But they can copy paste a string into a search box!

*Many articles have a rather better expanded version in a local wiki than
EN, if the topic is more notable in their community. But sometimes, it can
be the other way too.

*People gets turned off from a web site they have encountered for the first
time, if it gives them results not that encouraging. They might never visit
it at least for a long time to come. They have no time to waste.


Now, how this may be helped off:

1. I know a portal wikipedia.org or even en.wikipedia.org
2. I see a news item in a local language web page about a local entity. I
want to know more facts about this entity.
3. I get to the portal and inject this string (or type in this string) into
the search box.
4. There comes a few links: The first among them is an article in my
language about the entity. Following are versions of the same article (if
they exist) in other language wikis.
5. I directly choose, click and get to read what I wanted. I am happy and
decides to visit this portal again as a regular routine.

What, possibly, mediawiki / wikipedia can do behind the walls:
1. Gets a search string.
2. Identify the language.
a) Pick up the index for that language and process.
b)Goto Wikidata links and find an equivalent link / article in other
language projects for this string. pick index and seek.
c)Harvest and show case the results (optimized in certain ranks say first
article titles, then inline occurrences, then media etc.)


I can vouch positively that this itself will boost our counts to a great
extend, at least from regions where WP is yet to make a significant impact.

From a casual user's perspective, I have still not understood why our
computing resources should get strained for this simple extra steps.

-Viswaprabha















On 12 March 2016 at 05:40, Carlos Mora  wrote:

> Good work :D
>
> 2016-03-11 19:39 GMT-04:30 Samuel Klein :
> > Lovely work.
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2016 5:32 PM, "Dan Garry"  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11 March 2016 at 10:52, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Failed my dream :(
> >> >
> >> > Any string in any language in any wikipedia project. How far is my
> > dream?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I share your dream! :-)
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the dream is quite far away from reality. Querying every
> >> search index would put a big performance strain on the search servers.
> >
> > Perhaps you could do this w two queries, one to a composite index that is
> > only updated weekly.
> >
> >> Additionally, it would likely return you a bunch of really irrelevant
> > results,
> >
> > Make this opt-in, add a different background color for results from the
> > all-language index, & divide their search-relevance by a
> > language-prominence factor...
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Dan Garry]

On 11 March 2016 at 16:09, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> Perhaps you could do this w two queries, one to a composite index that is
> only updated weekly.
>

Indeed, there are mechanisms that can make cross-wiki searching more
feasible. In fact, one mechanism we are in the very early stages of
exploring is merging all the projects in a given language into a single
index, so that one could search *all* projects in a language, rather than
just a single project in a given language. I have no timeline here; as I
said, we're in the very early stages, and of course we have other work on
the go at the same time.


> > Additionally, it would likely return you a bunch of really irrelevant
> results,
>
> Make this opt-in, add a different background color for results from the
> all-language index, & divide their search-relevance by a
> language-prominence factor...
>

I plan to worry more about the user experience implications that I
mentioned once we're a bit closer to solving the technical feasibility
questions. As you've shown, these are definitely solvable problems, but I
don't want to put the cart before the horse, as it were. :-)

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Samuel Klein]

Lovely work.

On Mar 11, 2016 5:32 PM, "Dan Garry"  wrote:
>
> On 11 March 2016 at 10:52, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
wrote:
> >
> > Failed my dream :(
> >
> > Any string in any language in any wikipedia project. How far is my
dream?
> >
>
> I share your dream! :-)
>
> Unfortunately, the dream is quite far away from reality. Querying every
> search index would put a big performance strain on the search servers.

Perhaps you could do this w two queries, one to a composite index that is
only updated weekly.

> Additionally, it would likely return you a bunch of really irrelevant
results,

Make this opt-in, add a different background color for results from the
all-language index, & divide their search-relevance by a
language-prominence factor...

+SJ
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Carlos Mora]

Good work :D

2016-03-11 19:39 GMT-04:30 Samuel Klein :
> Lovely work.
>
> On Mar 11, 2016 5:32 PM, "Dan Garry"  wrote:
>>
>> On 11 March 2016 at 10:52, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Failed my dream :(
>> >
>> > Any string in any language in any wikipedia project. How far is my
> dream?
>> >
>>
>> I share your dream! :-)
>>
>> Unfortunately, the dream is quite far away from reality. Querying every
>> search index would put a big performance strain on the search servers.
>
> Perhaps you could do this w two queries, one to a composite index that is
> only updated weekly.
>
>> Additionally, it would likely return you a bunch of really irrelevant
> results,
>
> Make this opt-in, add a different background color for results from the
> all-language index, & divide their search-relevance by a
> language-prominence factor...
>
> +SJ
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Dan Garry]

On 11 March 2016 at 14:22, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Thank you to the Discovery team -- it seems to me that your work has been
> largely overshadowed by political concerns in recent months (which may have
> been necessary, but not pleasant).
>
> I'm delighted to see working and useful software emerge, in spite of the
> challenging environment that has existed around your work. I'm delighted to
> see your substantive engagement (e.g., Dan and Adam, above) with feedback
> about the implementation.
>
> Kudos!
> -Pete


Thanks, Pete. In this area, I want to direct the praise to Chris Koerner
and Keegan Peterzell who have helped Discovery immensely with community
engagement, community feedback, and announcements of our work.

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Dan Garry]

On 11 March 2016 at 10:52, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ)  wrote:
>
> Failed my dream :(
>
> Any string in any language in any wikipedia project. How far is my dream?
>

I share your dream! :-)

Unfortunately, the dream is quite far away from reality. Querying every
search index would put a big performance strain on the search servers.
Additionally, it would likely return you a bunch of really irrelevant
results, so there's a lot of user experience implications that would need
to be figured out as well. Discovery is not actively working on this at
present.

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Pete Forsyth]

Thank you to the Discovery team -- it seems to me that your work has been
largely overshadowed by political concerns in recent months (which may have
been necessary, but not pleasant).

I'm delighted to see working and useful software emerge, in spite of the
challenging environment that has existed around your work. I'm delighted to
see your substantive engagement (e.g., Dan and Adam, above) with feedback
about the implementation.

Kudos!
-Pete

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Dan Garry  wrote:

> On 11 March 2016 at 11:35, Adam Baso  wrote:
>
> > Hi there - speaking to one thing I'm familiar with, with respect to image
> > selection, we believe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124225 should
> > address fair use ("non-free") images, although page reparses will happen
> > gradually (pages are cached for up to 30 days or so).
> >
>
> Indeed. I manually triggered a reparse on a page which I knew had a
> non-free page image (by adding a space
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mario=prev=709579986
> >
> to a part of the page where it didn't affect the layout), and the page
> image was recalculated and is now a free image. Working as intended! :-)
>
> In reply to Geni's query, it is important to point out, however, that
> the English
> Wikipedia guidelines on non-free content
>  includes a list
> of exemptions
> 
> which
> explicitly allows non-free content to be surfaced in search results without
> accompanying fair use rationales. Additionally, English Wikipedia policy is
> not applicable on a global page such as wikipedia.org. Therefore, the
> portal was never actually in violation of any policy. Regardless, as Adam
> noted, for other reasons where this policy *did* apply, T124225
>  was enacted which prevents
> non-free images from appearing as thumbnails in search results.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Dan Garry]

On 11 March 2016 at 11:35, Adam Baso  wrote:

> Hi there - speaking to one thing I'm familiar with, with respect to image
> selection, we believe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124225 should
> address fair use ("non-free") images, although page reparses will happen
> gradually (pages are cached for up to 30 days or so).
>

Indeed. I manually triggered a reparse on a page which I knew had a
non-free page image (by adding a space

to a part of the page where it didn't affect the layout), and the page
image was recalculated and is now a free image. Working as intended! :-)

In reply to Geni's query, it is important to point out, however, that
the English
Wikipedia guidelines on non-free content
 includes a list
of exemptions
 which
explicitly allows non-free content to be surfaced in search results without
accompanying fair use rationales. Additionally, English Wikipedia policy is
not applicable on a global page such as wikipedia.org. Therefore, the
portal was never actually in violation of any policy. Regardless, as Adam
noted, for other reasons where this policy *did* apply, T124225
 was enacted which prevents
non-free images from appearing as thumbnails in search results.

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[Adam Baso]

>
> The image thumbnail thing fails to filter our fair use images along
> with the usual lack of author and licensing information.


Hi there - speaking to one thing I'm familiar with, with respect to image
selection, we believe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124225 should
address fair use ("non-free") images, although page reparses will happen
gradually (pages are cached for up to 30 days or so).

-Adam
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[geni]

On 11 March 2016 at 18:18, Deborah Tankersley  wrote:
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions! (Note
> 2: My apologies for not getting this email out yesterday, but I had had
> issues with size limitations of my screenshots.)
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb


The image thumbnail thing fails to filter our fair use images along
with the usual lack of author and licensing information.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E0%B4%B6%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%BB+%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%AE%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%BE%E0%B5%BB=Go

Failed my dream :(

Any string in any language in any wikipedia project. How far is my dream?



On 11 March 2016 at 23:48, Deborah Tankersley 
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (link
>  >).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note 1: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've also uploaded, to Commons,
> a screenshot
>  of
> one
> of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
> (Note
> 2: My apologies for not getting this email out yesterday, but I had had
> issues with size limitations of my screenshots.)
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
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