Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap
In terms of specific articles to create, there is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least one source to base an article on exists. -Mark On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias Peter On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: In various research and media articles is written that in several subject groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively unrepresented. How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing? How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in those groups? Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap
I wonder if we could do a survey of readers from underrepresented groups. Even if a group is underrepresented as editors that doesn't mean they ate underrepresented as readers (for example women) (plus survey results could be cited in potential deletion discussions) We may want to think about the WMF giving grants organizations that are doing research into the history and sociology etc. of these groups, so that the body of citable evidence becomes greater. On Dec 10, 2013 8:43 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: In terms of specific articles to create, there is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_ encyclopedic_articles That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least one source to base an article on exists. -Mark On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias Peter On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: In various research and media articles is written that in several subject groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively unrepresented. How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing? How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in those groups? Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap
English Wiktionary has made a modest step toward ameliorating the FUll Text On the Net bias by reducing for less-attested languages the requirement for three citations of a word in use to just one. The result is more coverage at somewhat greater risk of making a mistake in the entry (misspelling, wrong definition, etc). Similar tradeoffs must exist for other wikis. En.wikt tends to be more tolerant, if not exactly welcoming, of contributors of entries in underrepresented languages, many of which do not have their own wikis, than it is of would-be contributors of English entries. As I see it, What en.wikt has done seems reasonable within the scope of what volunteers can do and are willing to do. A dictionary with trained linguists contributing has an offsetting bias toward preserving smaller languages, which serve as data for linguistic theory. In my opinion, we also have other biases. We have a subject matter bias toward computer, mathematics, chemistry, and linguistics jargon and against jargon from other fields. Our coverage of Afro-American Vernacular English lags and is incomplete even for older terms. Our definitions are often worded for graduate students or at least college students. We have an antiquarian and literary bias as well. I am certain that I am blind to many other biases. We would welcome constructive ideas about further steps or ideas on how en.wikt could be a better resource. On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: In terms of specific articles to create, there is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_ encyclopedic_articles That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least one source to base an article on exists. -Mark On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias Peter On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: In various research and media articles is written that in several subject groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively unrepresented. How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing? How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in those groups? Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Dennis C. During Dropbox is a free online storage service that I use. If you sign uphttp://db.tt/vhM8bABUyou get 2.5 Gb of free online storage and I get an extra .5 Gb. 1968, Taj Mahal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal_%28musician%29, “Good Morning Miss Brown” (song), in *The Natch'l Blues* (album): Good morning Miss Brown / Mamma how do you do? / I said good morning Miss Brown / Mamma how do you do? / She say I'm feelin' fine and lookin' good / Maaan what about you? /* I say I got the misery and the back ache baby / And my feets hurtin' me when I walk * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap
There are probably be some common trends over all language version like we are stronger in areas like Server software and Skateboard tricks then Fashion and Cosmetics. But to really find the weak areas you need to find out this by each language version. And here I believe we will find quite different strong and weak subject areas. Sv:wp is weak related to medicine articles which are vey strong in en:wp for example. Anders Romaine Wiki skrev 2013-12-09 16:35: In various research and media articles is written that in several subject groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively unrepresented. How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing? How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in those groups? Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap
The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias Peter On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: In various research and media articles is written that in several subject groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively unrepresented. How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing? How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in those groups? Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
