Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-27 Thread David Gerard
On 22 September 2012 20:24, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not Of course, it's not all happy bunnies and rainbows and unicorns on the OA side. There's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for, Elsevier

2012-09-27 Thread Robin McCain
Ten years ago we actually tried to create an online scholarly journal (for profit) process with rapid publication.Unfortunately there was no interest from investors as the dot com bust had left them shy on anything online... eventualism and our reliable sources model are probably a very poor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Aubrey ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2012/9/26 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Mee too, mee too. Cristian

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:08 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. eventualism and our reliable sources model are probably a very poor match to time-sensitive original research in the sciences or engineering, which is what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Cristian Consonni, 27/09/2012 00:40: 2012/9/26 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Mee too, mee too. -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread Kat Walsh
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2012 21:20, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Symonds
To be fair, organising academics is probably quite like herding cats. I can see it being expensive (but not quite as expensive as currently!) I wonder: would it be possible to make it so that in order to publish a paper, a person has to review two, three, four others as part of their payment? Or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 September 2012 16:24, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: To be fair, organising academics is probably quite like herding cats. I can see it being expensive (but not quite as expensive as currently!) I wonder: would it be possible to make it so that in order to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread Mark
On 9/25/12 12:32 AM, George Herbert wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote: the costs of peer review I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer review, so I'm not sure what these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 9/25/12 12:32 AM, George Herbert wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote: the costs of peer review I have academics complaining to me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-25 Thread emijrp
Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. 2012/9/25 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 9/25/12 12:32 AM, George Herbert wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote: the costs of peer review I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer review, so I'm not sure what these costs are. Someone has to edit the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Samuel Klein
It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how to manage such things with volunteers. Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and widely reproduced model where the most esteemed publications are run by students. On Sep 24, 2012 6:33 PM, George Herbert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how to manage such things with volunteers. Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and widely reproduced model where the most esteemed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Risker
On 24 September 2012 21:20, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how to manage such things with volunteers. Another example: law

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-23 Thread Tim Starling
On 23/09/12 05:24, David Gerard wrote: It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not one stone left upon another and the ground salted. I'm crying real[2] tears here.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-23 Thread Risker
On 23 September 2012 22:24, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 23/09/12 05:24, David Gerard wrote: It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not one stone left upon another and the

[Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-22 Thread David Gerard
It's such a pity that Elsevier's attempt to legally block open access requirements [1] means that they must be destroyed utterly with not one stone left upon another and the ground salted. I'm crying real[2] tears here.