Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia, Community User Group Albania

2019-03-16 Thread Sidorela Uku
Greta hi again, We agree that the discussion is not productive, but we did not initiate it. On the other hand, we invite everyone involved in this issue to remember the reasons we got involved in what we do in the first place. In our case we want to promote open knowledge in the way we think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-03-07 Thread Greta Doçi
me growth in terms of activities (from both UGs mentioned > here) in SQ Wikipedia since our group got recognition. Again there are so > many projects that can be implemented and there is space for as many people > as possible! > > Representing Wikimedia Community User Group Albania &g

[Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-03-06 Thread Silva Arapi
лин / Farkhad Fatkullin > Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community > User Group Albania > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > Dear colleagues, > > Cooperation with external entities is best organized thro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-26 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
Dear colleagues, Cooperation with external entities is best organized through either national chapters or thematic organizations, which should be predominantly self-supporting, thus quasi-independent from WMF. I support Kiril's advice that WoALUG should be evolving towards a Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-25 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Greta, Thank you for the explanation. This reminds me a lot to what happened in Macedonia, albeit with different names of the recognised user groups. The artificially created problem by the Aff Com has eventually ended up in two user groups being eligible for WMF grants (another contentious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Greta, Thank you very much for your clarifications and insight into this question. This is very similar with what happened in Brazil, when the 2013 chapter-like UG (Grupo de Usuários Wikimedia no Brasil) and its clone UG (Wiki Educação Brasil) approved by AffCom in 2015 ended up competing for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-25 Thread Greta Doçi
Dear everyone, First, we want to thank everyone who contributed in this discussion. We want to start with the first conflict, which is the name. If you read carefully Affcon's email above, and you check the info online as claimed by Affcon, you will see that actually Affcon itself has confused

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-15 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
Dear Kiril and Paulo, Thank you for explanations. You have my deepest respect for showing your concern for our fellow colleagues from Albania, so they avoid repeating the mistakes that have been made previously elsewhere. Just like you, I certainly hope that our volunteer-colleagues serving in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Farhad, It is very easily understood by the so called Brazilian scenario: Step 1 - AffCom recognizes a chapter style UG, with geographic focus Step 2 - Dissidents from first group start warring first UG while attempting to form a second UG, clone of the first UG Step 3 - AffCom recognizes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-15 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Farkhad, The troubles arise when there are multiple user groups whose activities are aimed at primarily promoting the Wikimedia projects on one language or/and they are centred on the same geographic area. This would not be a problem for culturally and linguistically diverse countries with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-15 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
Dear Kiril, Philip and colleagues, Please explain the nature of reasons that cause trouble in having multiple Wikimedia affiliates in the area, as this seems to be context specific. It's possible that our context in Russia is very different, which is why we are actually welcoming creation of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-13 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Hi Paulo, Camelia's paragraph that you referred to tells a story that is exactly the opposite of what the Affiliations Committee is doing in practice. The so-called 'Brazilian scenario' emerged in Macedonia when, in 2016, the committee decided to recognise a second user group on the same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, camelia boban escreveu no dia terça, 12/02/2019 à(s) 11:18: > (...) > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom has > acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it assesses > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Camelia, thanks for the reply - was there any consultation of the first user group before the decision was made? It should've been obvious from their reports and grant applications ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Simple/Applications/Wikimedians_of_Albanian_Language_User_Group/2018/H2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-08 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
We are likely to eventually have a similar situation in my region of the Russian Federation & we welcome this. 1) A recently recognized Wikimedia Community of Tatar language User Group (WUG TAT) is a language-oriented UG without geographical borders. 2) At the same time, we will eventually need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-06 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I guess... probably one include also the majority of Kosovo, Albanian-speaking regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia and maybe even Southern Italy and the other one is just centered on Albania as a state. This is not the same scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially, also Greece)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-06 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others are left to deal with the fallout of this decision. On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > Hi Kirill, > > I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having > followed closely the Brazil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2018-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Kirill, I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer. Best, Paulo 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha : > ​ Hi Kirill > > Philip's concerns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2018-06-11 Thread Mardetanha
​ Hi Kirill Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I had the very same question. Mardetanha On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Hi Kirill, > > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the Wikimedians > of Albanian Language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2018-05-23 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Kirill, what's the difference/relationship between this group and the Wikimedians of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios by reconising even more user groups from the same area? Best, Philip On 22