When WMPT was forced by AffCom early this year to change the old chapter
agreement we had signed in 2009 for a new one, which we were told was the
current model for everyone, the main difference between the two was
precisely the end of the chapter hegemony over the national territory. We
I believe the only "official" rationale is in the 2012 Board resolution:
and the thinking behind this is documented here, also from 2011-12.
Sorry, people, but I would like to read an official statement of the WMF
(committee) what is the reason or rationale behind this policy to accept WM
user groups in countries where you already have a chapter. Does anybody
have a link?
Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb
Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight.
The advantages at an organizational level are quite obvious, indeed, and
it's a smart way to deal with those membership limitations.
I'm glad that the WMF & Wikimedia is abandoning the very rigid chapter
model as the
Thanks for the clarification and the insights. This could be a really
interesting organizative model for huge countries, even for countries with more
than one chapter but not a country level one, as happens in the USA.
2019 urr. 5 4:38 PM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad
I can probably comment this, as a member of both Wikimedia Russia and a Tatar
On top of participation in Wikimedia Language Diversity initiative on meta, I
am also contemplating and working towards starting a territory-specific UG for
my region + an incubator UG
BTW, I seem to recall that in last ASBS election, affiliates which
presented something like 70% member overlap with another affiliate would
not be allowed to participate in the process.
If this practice is kept, it avoids gaming the system (intentionally or
unintentionally) through a
"*1) if a group has more active cores, maybe they should be more broadly
represented in Berlin. Maybe these constructs shouldn't be necessary.*" ->
I can agree with that point, yes;
"*2) No matter how much some care about the ASBS, I doubt that this will be
a driving force to get more
Sure, if you want to see it through that lens I guess you could argue such.
However, just to put things in perspective: 1) if a group has more active
cores, maybe they should be more broadly represented in Berlin. Maybe these
constructs shouldn't be necessary. 2) No matter how much some care about
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 23:02, Paulo Santos Perneta
> Andy Mabbett escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> >basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
* decentralization, and stronger local groups, now as full fledged
* more seats in Berlin and other conferences
* more votes in the ASBS election
* less financial burden over the national chapter, and
I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach
and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national
chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but the
way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with same
Wikimedia RU people), it's
What about Wikimedia NYC? (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta
> Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> it compares with a city UG.
> Andy Mabbett escreveu no dia quinta,
Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
it compares with a city UG.
Andy Mabbett escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
> a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> It's a curious precedent.
The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia
I don't see a problem with sending several representatives to the Wikimedia
Summit, instead of 1, as would be the case if there was only Wikimedia
Russia (that would be a Wikimedia Summit problem). But cells of Wikimedia
Russia or other national chapters voting for ASBS elections is a different
Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
It's a curious precedent.
Asaf Bartov escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s)
> Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city. And one of its listed
> contacts is the
Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city. And one of its listed
contacts is the longstanding president of Wikimedia Russia itself.
Philip: this is not an example of a large country being "split up", since
Wikimedia Russia is still around, and was not broken up. It is also not
I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya -
but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!
A usergroup for every city!
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:15 AM Philip Kopetzky
> Hi Kirill,
> so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
> different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
> future or just happened because of certain
so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the Russian
community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome,
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