Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

[Craig Franklin]

Indeed, the things that make a Wikipedia article high quality (such as well
written and engaging prose) are not necessarily the same things that are
useful for a data-driven product like Wikidata.  When Wikidata offers
assistance to another project, and that assistance is not received
enthusiastically because the project feels it will not improve their own
quality metrics; that is not a "black box" communication problem, nor is it
anyone in particular's fault, that is an issue of differing priorities.

Cheers,
Craig

On 20 November 2015 at 23:30, WereSpielChequers  wrote:

> My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality,
> though some have different, even diametrically opposed views as to what
> quality means and which things are cosmetic or crucial.
>
> My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project
>  was that people
> react positively to being told "here is a list of anomalies on your
> language wikipedia" especially if those anomalies are relatively serious.
> My experience of edits on many different languages is that wikipedians
> appreciate someone who improves articles, even if you don't speak their
> language. Dismissing any of our thousand wikis as a "black box" is I think
> less helpful.
>
> One of the great opportunities of Wikidata is to do the sort of data driven
> anomaly finding that we pioneered with the death anomalies report. But we
> always need to remember that there are cultural difference between wikis,
> and not just in such things as the age at which we assume people are dead.
> Diplomacy is a useful skill in cross wiki work.
>
> 
>
> On 20 November 2015 at 07:18, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia.
> > Lists have been produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved and
> > arguably they do present issues with the quality of Wikipedia or Wikidata
> > for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted from such outreach.
> >
> > When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside
> > world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there
> are
> > already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia
> quality
> > because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality.
> >
> > Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
> >
> > There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality
> issue
> > both for Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research issue; how
> to
> > deal with quality and how do such mechanisms function if at all.
> >
> > I blogged about it..
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikipedia.html
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I have been working on Wikidata for almost two years on recent deaths. It
is one easy and obvious thing to signal recent deaths to all the WIkipedias
that have articles.It is quite similar to what you describe. It is dead
easy to produce such lists, not only for recent deaths but also for deaths
that differ from one source to the next.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 20 November 2015 at 14:30, WereSpielChequers  wrote:

> My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality,
> though some have different, even diametrically opposed views as to what
> quality means and which things are cosmetic or crucial.
>
> My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project
>  was that people
> react positively to being told "here is a list of anomalies on your
> language wikipedia" especially if those anomalies are relatively serious.
> My experience of edits on many different languages is that wikipedians
> appreciate someone who improves articles, even if you don't speak their
> language. Dismissing any of our thousand wikis as a "black box" is I think
> less helpful.
>
> One of the great opportunities of Wikidata is to do the sort of data driven
> anomaly finding that we pioneered with the death anomalies report. But we
> always need to remember that there are cultural difference between wikis,
> and not just in such things as the age at which we assume people are dead.
> Diplomacy is a useful skill in cross wiki work.
>
> 
>
> On 20 November 2015 at 07:18, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia.
> > Lists have been produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved and
> > arguably they do present issues with the quality of Wikipedia or Wikidata
> > for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted from such outreach.
> >
> > When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside
> > world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there
> are
> > already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia
> quality
> > because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality.
> >
> > Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
> >
> > There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality
> issue
> > both for Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research issue; how
> to
> > deal with quality and how do such mechanisms function if at all.
> >
> > I blogged about it..
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikipedia.html
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues

[WereSpielChequers]

My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality,
though some have different, even diametrically opposed views as to what
quality means and which things are cosmetic or crucial.

My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project
 was that people
react positively to being told "here is a list of anomalies on your
language wikipedia" especially if those anomalies are relatively serious.
My experience of edits on many different languages is that wikipedians
appreciate someone who improves articles, even if you don't speak their
language. Dismissing any of our thousand wikis as a "black box" is I think
less helpful.

One of the great opportunities of Wikidata is to do the sort of data driven
anomaly finding that we pioneered with the death anomalies report. But we
always need to remember that there are cultural difference between wikis,
and not just in such things as the age at which we assume people are dead.
Diplomacy is a useful skill in cross wiki work.



On 20 November 2015 at 07:18, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia.
> Lists have been produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved and
> arguably they do present issues with the quality of Wikipedia or Wikidata
> for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted from such outreach.
>
> When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside
> world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are
> already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia quality
> because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality.
>
> Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
>
> There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality issue
> both for Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research issue; how to
> deal with quality and how do such mechanisms function if at all.
>
> I blogged about it..
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikipedia.html
>
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