Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-11 Thread James Salsman
Scott,

It is perfectly legitimate to be "anti-racist," but races are completely
artificial constructs. Racial conflict was interposed during the "tea
party" astroturfing in response to the Occupy movements:

https://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/hyoogt/is_this_accurate/fze7t5c/

Do you support Wikimedia Foundation AI being programmed to be explicitly
anti-classist?

Best regards,
Jim


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM C. Scott Ananian 
wrote:

> Sorry I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but I'd like to underline a
> slightly different aspect of the concern that Phoebe raised:
>
> > It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals I've
> > seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the academic
> > papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we might
> > think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and the
> > impact on existing contributors.
> >
>
> Using the terminology of Ibram X. Kendi (and others), I'd put this as:
> "it's not enough to not be racist, you must actively be *anti-racist*."
>
> Abstract Wikipedia is a "color blind" project.  Indeed it is often
> described as advancing WMF goals by improving the amount of content
> available for minority languages.
>
> However, it is built on a huge edifice of ML and AI technology which
> advantages majority languages and the already-powerful.
>
> As Phoebe mentioned, the subtle biases of ML translation toward majority
> views (selecting the "proper" gender pronoun for someone described as a
> "doctor" or "professor", say) are well known, and certainly deserve to be
> foregrounded from the start, as Danny has pledged to do in his response to
> Phoebe.
>
> But the infrastructure of this project is built this way from the ground
> up.  Language models for European languages are orders of magnitude better
> than language models for minority languages (if the latter exist at all).
> The same is true for ontologies and every other constructed abstraction,
> down to choices of what topics are significant enough to include in an
> abstract article---but that ground has been ably covered by Kaldari and
> others.  So let me concentrate solely on language models in the remainder
> (with some parenthetical asides, for which I hope you'll forgive me).
>
> I would like to challenge Abstract Wikipedia not only to be "not racist" or
> "color blind", but to be actively *antiracist*.  That is, instead of
> passively accepting the status quo wrt language models (& etc), to commit
> to actively supporting a language model in *at least one* minority
> language, treating it as a first-class citizen or (better) the *main*
> output of the project.  That means not just looking for "a good enough
> language model that happens not to be a European language" but *actively
> developing the language model* so that the Abstract Wikipedia project *from
> inception* has a positive effect on *at least one* community speaking a
> underrepresented language with a small Wikipedia.  (Again, WLOG this could
> apply to general AI/ML support for many many minority groups, but I'm
> sticking with "at least one" and "language model" in order to make this as
> concrete and actionable as possible.)  This of course also means committing
> to hire a speaker of that non-European language as part of the core team
> (not just an "and translations" afterthought), committing to foregrounding
> that language in demonstrations, and doing outreach and community building
> to the language group in question.  (All the mockups I've seen have been in
> German and English, and have been pitched to an English-speaking audience.)
>
> I don't think it is wise in 2020 to pretend that "colorblind" business as
> usual will advance the goals of our organization.  We need to actively work
> to ensure this project has effects that *work against* the significant
> pre-existing biases toward highly-educated speakers of European languages.
> It is not enough to say that "someday" this "may" have an effect on
> minority language groups if "somebody" ever gets around to doing it.  We
> must make those investments proactively and with clear intention in order
> to effect the change we wish to see in the world.
>   -- C. Scott Ananian
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Scott,

thank you for raising this really important issue, and I whole-heartedly
agree. Since I heard of Ibram X. Kendi's argument to not just be not racist
but rather be actively anti-racist, I thought a lot about it (I have a long
essay trying to sort my thoughts on that, but I am not sure my voice is
helpful in that conversation). But yes, I agree with the sentiment and the
idea.

Another statement that has deeply influenced my thinking in preparation for
this project was the statement "nothing about us without us", and the
implications of that for the Abstract Wikipedia project (and how,
currently, we are not really achieving it).

So, in short, yes, I want to commit to both of these as guidelines for how
the project will unfold.

Having a specific, non-European and underrepresented language as a
first-class development target is a great suggestion, and having someone on
the core team with a native-level grasp of that language is, I think, a
very good suggestion. Whether and when we can actually implement this
depends on a number of factors, such as funding, but yes, ensuring such
representation is very much a high priority for myself, and I am very much
(and painfully) aware that we are not fulfilling this promise yet.

For the choice of language I hope to go through a process similar as we did
for Wikidata, where we worked with the Wikipedia communities to identify
potential language communities that would be interested and willing to work
together with us. I am planning for us to have a similar process within the
next few months.

One advantage of the current state is that the focus for the first part of
the project will be solely on the wiki of functions, not yet on the part
that generates natural language, and that the current plan calls for
additional hires when this second part starts. So all of these decisions
and preparations are not blockers during the first part of the project, but
will be so for the second - and obviously I want to have them resolved well
before.

Also, one correction - we are fortunately not blocked by the availability
of language models in a given language. Since the natural language
generation, as we plan it, is developed by the communities using functions,
we do not need to have a good language model, or in fact, any language
model at all, for the system to work. So we have that going for us.

Finally, as answered to Phoebe, I want to tackle these issues heads-on with
a call for discussing the ethical implications of this project. Your
suggestions are good, and will inform our planning and development, but I
am also aware that, in order to have a fuller picture, we need to hear more
voices and figure out how to have these conversations. This will happen
within the next few months.

Thanks again for raising this important issue! I hope my thoughts on that
make sense, and I am happy to further work on them,
Denny




On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:19 PM Nick Wilson (Quiddity) <
nwil...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > We used to have a roughly weighted list of major world languages by
> > (spoken, written; primary, secondary) and how well covered they were by
> wp
> > (articles, contributors).  Is there something like that still?
> >
>
> I think you might be referring to the links in the 3rd and 4th line of
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Wikipedias ?
> Looking more closely, it appears that the "speakers per article" listing is
> unfortunately a few years out of date, as the column of "Speakers" was
> being manually updated from Ethnologue stats (which are now paywalled).
> I've started a tangential discussion on the talkpage there, about using
> Wikidata instead.
> Additionally, none of those links contain the "primary / secondary
> language" statistics, for which I think we'd need to cross-reference with
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
> (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1394450) Or perhaps Wikidata can resolve
> it
> again, as at least some languages' items include a split of the statistics
> for that, e.g. Q150. Let's discuss further onwiki?
>
> And +1 to the overall recommendation from C. Scott. :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
If "anti-classist" is your way of writing "empowering the less-powerful",
then sure.  As the rest of my email indicates, I'm choosing to focus on
language and language groups, since that's the most direct relation to the
output and input technologies of Abstract Wikimedia.  Obviously there is no
direct mapping from 'race' to language, although those are both social
constructs.  I found the academic work of the anti-racism movement helpful
in thinking about efforts to counteract long-standing structural
privileges, but if you prefer to use a different framework feel free.  It
seems we are aligned on the actual actions required.
  --scott

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:42 AM James Salsman  wrote:

> Scott,
>
> It is perfectly legitimate to be "anti-racist," but races are completely
> artificial constructs. Racial conflict was interposed during the "tea
> party" astroturfing in response to the Occupy movements:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/hyoogt/is_this_accurate/fze7t5c/
>
> Do you support Wikimedia Foundation AI being programmed to be explicitly
> anti-classist?
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM C. Scott Ananian 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but I'd like to underline
>> a
>> slightly different aspect of the concern that Phoebe raised:
>>
>> > It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals I've
>> > seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the
>> academic
>> > papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we might
>> > think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and
>> the
>> > impact on existing contributors.
>> >
>>
>> Using the terminology of Ibram X. Kendi (and others), I'd put this as:
>> "it's not enough to not be racist, you must actively be *anti-racist*."
>>
>> Abstract Wikipedia is a "color blind" project.  Indeed it is often
>> described as advancing WMF goals by improving the amount of content
>> available for minority languages.
>>
>> However, it is built on a huge edifice of ML and AI technology which
>> advantages majority languages and the already-powerful.
>>
>> As Phoebe mentioned, the subtle biases of ML translation toward majority
>> views (selecting the "proper" gender pronoun for someone described as a
>> "doctor" or "professor", say) are well known, and certainly deserve to be
>> foregrounded from the start, as Danny has pledged to do in his response to
>> Phoebe.
>>
>> But the infrastructure of this project is built this way from the ground
>> up.  Language models for European languages are orders of magnitude better
>> than language models for minority languages (if the latter exist at all).
>> The same is true for ontologies and every other constructed abstraction,
>> down to choices of what topics are significant enough to include in an
>> abstract article---but that ground has been ably covered by Kaldari and
>> others.  So let me concentrate solely on language models in the remainder
>> (with some parenthetical asides, for which I hope you'll forgive me).
>>
>> I would like to challenge Abstract Wikipedia not only to be "not racist"
>> or
>> "color blind", but to be actively *antiracist*.  That is, instead of
>> passively accepting the status quo wrt language models (& etc), to commit
>> to actively supporting a language model in *at least one* minority
>> language, treating it as a first-class citizen or (better) the *main*
>> output of the project.  That means not just looking for "a good enough
>> language model that happens not to be a European language" but *actively
>> developing the language model* so that the Abstract Wikipedia project
>> *from
>> inception* has a positive effect on *at least one* community speaking a
>> underrepresented language with a small Wikipedia.  (Again, WLOG this could
>> apply to general AI/ML support for many many minority groups, but I'm
>> sticking with "at least one" and "language model" in order to make this as
>> concrete and actionable as possible.)  This of course also means
>> committing
>> to hire a speaker of that non-European language as part of the core team
>> (not just an "and translations" afterthought), committing to foregrounding
>> that language in demonstrations, and doing outreach and community building
>> to the language group in question.  (All the mockups I've seen have been
>> in
>> German and English, and have been pitched to an English-speaking
>> audience.)
>>
>> I don't think it is wise in 2020 to pretend that "colorblind" business as
>> usual will advance the goals of our organization.  We need to actively
>> work
>> to ensure this project has effects that *work against* the significant
>> pre-existing biases toward highly-educated speakers of European languages.
>> It is not enough to say that "someday" this "may" have an effect on
>> minority language groups if "somebody" ever gets around to doing it.  We
>> must make those investments proactively and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-06 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> We used to have a roughly weighted list of major world languages by
> (spoken, written; primary, secondary) and how well covered they were by wp
> (articles, contributors).  Is there something like that still?
>

I think you might be referring to the links in the 3rd and 4th line of
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Lists_of_Wikipedias ?
Looking more closely, it appears that the "speakers per article" listing is
unfortunately a few years out of date, as the column of "Speakers" was
being manually updated from Ethnologue stats (which are now paywalled).
I've started a tangential discussion on the talkpage there, about using
Wikidata instead.
Additionally, none of those links contain the "primary / secondary
language" statistics, for which I think we'd need to cross-reference with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
(https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1394450) Or perhaps Wikidata can resolve it
again, as at least some languages' items include a split of the statistics
for that, e.g. Q150. Let's discuss further onwiki?

And +1 to the overall recommendation from C. Scott. :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-05 Thread Samuel Klein
I applaud this idea. Preferably a language family with a large community of
practice, 'minority' in the sense of coverage and support by modern tools
and scaffolding, not in the sense of limited use.

We used to have a roughly weighted list of major world languages by
(spoken, written; primary, secondary) and how well covered they were by wp
(articles, contributors).  Is there something like that still?

//S



On Wed., Aug. 5, 2020, 3:19 p.m. C. Scott Ananian, 
wrote:

> Sorry I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but I'd like to underline a
> slightly different aspect of the concern that Phoebe raised:
>
> > It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals I've
> > seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the academic
> > papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we might
> > think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and the
> > impact on existing contributors.
> >
>
> Using the terminology of Ibram X. Kendi (and others), I'd put this as:
> "it's not enough to not be racist, you must actively be *anti-racist*."
>
> Abstract Wikipedia is a "color blind" project.  Indeed it is often
> described as advancing WMF goals by improving the amount of content
> available for minority languages.
>
> However, it is built on a huge edifice of ML and AI technology which
> advantages majority languages and the already-powerful.
>
> As Phoebe mentioned, the subtle biases of ML translation toward majority
> views (selecting the "proper" gender pronoun for someone described as a
> "doctor" or "professor", say) are well known, and certainly deserve to be
> foregrounded from the start, as Danny has pledged to do in his response to
> Phoebe.
>
> But the infrastructure of this project is built this way from the ground
> up.  Language models for European languages are orders of magnitude better
> than language models for minority languages (if the latter exist at all).
> The same is true for ontologies and every other constructed abstraction,
> down to choices of what topics are significant enough to include in an
> abstract article---but that ground has been ably covered by Kaldari and
> others.  So let me concentrate solely on language models in the remainder
> (with some parenthetical asides, for which I hope you'll forgive me).
>
> I would like to challenge Abstract Wikipedia not only to be "not racist" or
> "color blind", but to be actively *antiracist*.  That is, instead of
> passively accepting the status quo wrt language models (& etc), to commit
> to actively supporting a language model in *at least one* minority
> language, treating it as a first-class citizen or (better) the *main*
> output of the project.  That means not just looking for "a good enough
> language model that happens not to be a European language" but *actively
> developing the language model* so that the Abstract Wikipedia project *from
> inception* has a positive effect on *at least one* community speaking a
> underrepresented language with a small Wikipedia.  (Again, WLOG this could
> apply to general AI/ML support for many many minority groups, but I'm
> sticking with "at least one" and "language model" in order to make this as
> concrete and actionable as possible.)  This of course also means committing
> to hire a speaker of that non-European language as part of the core team
> (not just an "and translations" afterthought), committing to foregrounding
> that language in demonstrations, and doing outreach and community building
> to the language group in question.  (All the mockups I've seen have been in
> German and English, and have been pitched to an English-speaking audience.)
>
> I don't think it is wise in 2020 to pretend that "colorblind" business as
> usual will advance the goals of our organization.  We need to actively work
> to ensure this project has effects that *work against* the significant
> pre-existing biases toward highly-educated speakers of European languages.
> It is not enough to say that "someday" this "may" have an effect on
> minority language groups if "somebody" ever gets around to doing it.  We
> must make those investments proactively and with clear intention in order
> to effect the change we wish to see in the world.
>   -- C. Scott Ananian
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Sorry I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but I'd like to underline a
slightly different aspect of the concern that Phoebe raised:

> It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals I've
> seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the academic
> papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we might
> think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and the
> impact on existing contributors.
>

Using the terminology of Ibram X. Kendi (and others), I'd put this as:
"it's not enough to not be racist, you must actively be *anti-racist*."

Abstract Wikipedia is a "color blind" project.  Indeed it is often
described as advancing WMF goals by improving the amount of content
available for minority languages.

However, it is built on a huge edifice of ML and AI technology which
advantages majority languages and the already-powerful.

As Phoebe mentioned, the subtle biases of ML translation toward majority
views (selecting the "proper" gender pronoun for someone described as a
"doctor" or "professor", say) are well known, and certainly deserve to be
foregrounded from the start, as Danny has pledged to do in his response to
Phoebe.

But the infrastructure of this project is built this way from the ground
up.  Language models for European languages are orders of magnitude better
than language models for minority languages (if the latter exist at all).
The same is true for ontologies and every other constructed abstraction,
down to choices of what topics are significant enough to include in an
abstract article---but that ground has been ably covered by Kaldari and
others.  So let me concentrate solely on language models in the remainder
(with some parenthetical asides, for which I hope you'll forgive me).

I would like to challenge Abstract Wikipedia not only to be "not racist" or
"color blind", but to be actively *antiracist*.  That is, instead of
passively accepting the status quo wrt language models (& etc), to commit
to actively supporting a language model in *at least one* minority
language, treating it as a first-class citizen or (better) the *main*
output of the project.  That means not just looking for "a good enough
language model that happens not to be a European language" but *actively
developing the language model* so that the Abstract Wikipedia project *from
inception* has a positive effect on *at least one* community speaking a
underrepresented language with a small Wikipedia.  (Again, WLOG this could
apply to general AI/ML support for many many minority groups, but I'm
sticking with "at least one" and "language model" in order to make this as
concrete and actionable as possible.)  This of course also means committing
to hire a speaker of that non-European language as part of the core team
(not just an "and translations" afterthought), committing to foregrounding
that language in demonstrations, and doing outreach and community building
to the language group in question.  (All the mockups I've seen have been in
German and English, and have been pitched to an English-speaking audience.)

I don't think it is wise in 2020 to pretend that "colorblind" business as
usual will advance the goals of our organization.  We need to actively work
to ensure this project has effects that *work against* the significant
pre-existing biases toward highly-educated speakers of European languages.
It is not enough to say that "someday" this "may" have an effect on
minority language groups if "somebody" ever gets around to doing it.  We
must make those investments proactively and with clear intention in order
to effect the change we wish to see in the world.
  -- C. Scott Ananian
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread Victoria Coleman
Denny,

This is extraordinarily good news! I am thrilled that the Foundation and the 
Community has taken it on board. I think it is a truly seminal, pivotal project 
for promulgating free knowledge to all corners of humanity. I just could not be 
happier to know that you will be shepherding the work! Warmest congratulations!

Victoria 

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
> 
> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> 
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
> 
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
> 
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> 
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
> 
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
> 
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> 
> Stay safe,
> Denny
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
> 
>> I'm extremely excited about this project!
>> 
>> Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating project
>> in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up good
>> base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
>> love.
>> 
>> The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting into
>> Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
>> able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
>> editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
>> human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but much
>> more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
>> 
>> -- brion
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
>> has
>>> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
>>> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
>>> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
>>> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
>>> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
>> the
>>> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
>>> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
>>> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
>>> create something new.
>>> 
>>> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
>>> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
>> after
>>> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
>>> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
>>> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
>>> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
>>> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
>>> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread James Salsman
Anyone object to using loglan as an interlingua?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loglan

On Saturday, July 4, 2020, phoebe ayers  wrote:

> Thanks Denny! I appreciate this, and your thoughtfulness as always.
>
> Thanks for starting an explicit discussion. I think our field (meaning,
> computer science & internet projects broadly) often assumes that these
> questions will just arise in context, or get solved as we go, but they
> rarely do. So making ethics a focus from the start is crucial. There may
> not be good "solutions"! But inviting lots of people in to talk about
> scenarios etc I think will make a much stronger and innovative project in
> the end.
>
> all best,
> Phoebe
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 7:54 PM Denny Vrandečić 
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Phoebe for the congratulations, and thank you for the
> > considerations, and I agree with them.
> >
> > On wiki, Denis Barthel and Ryan Kaldari already raised a number of the
> > concerns - although not all - that you are raising here.
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#
> Kaldari's_concerns
> >
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#
> Revisiting_and_twisting_a_Kaldari_concern
> >
> > And I tried to answer some of them there. But I do agree that this is not
> > sufficient, and I would love to be able to ensure that the ethical
> concerns
> > you raise do not get lost, and are sufficiently represented when we do
> the
> > project.
> >
> > Alas, I am also a bit at a loss about how to ensure that. Yes, for some
> of
> > them, we have a pretty good, albeit developing understanding of how to
> > cover them, particularly around ethics and AI and about bias and ethical
> > data. Also I think doing several best / worst case scenario exercises at
> > relevant points is a great idea. The one thing that troubles me most,
> > though, is how to ensure that in the new communities that we will foster
> > the representation among contributors is indeed more representative of
> the
> > diversity in the world. To the best of my knowledge, we have no answers
> for
> > that - and I would very much want to learn about this.
> >
> > So, here's what I can promise - among the many topics that we need to
> > discuss while we are ramping up the project, I will also start an
> explicit
> > discussion on how to make sure that ethical considerations are
> sufficiently
> > represented during the development of the project. I obviously cannot
> > promise that we will successfully avoid all ethical pitfalls - but I can
> > promise that I will do my best to do so.
> >
> > It is, in the end, ethical concerns that motivated me, and some of them
> > are discussed and described here:
> >
> > https://wikipedia20.pubpub.org/pub/vyf7ksah/release/6
> >
> > It is this motivation of allowing more people to share in more knowledge
> > in more languages which drives me.
> >
> > I hope you'll join us on the new list and keep an eye on what we're
> doing.
> > Your voice would be very appreciated.
> >
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:07 AM phoebe ayers 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Congratulations to everyone, this is exciting.
> >>
> >> It is also very exciting that we have an almost-unprecedented
> opportunity
> >> to build a new project that is fully informed by both lessons from own
> past
> >> projects, as well as from the rapidly developing field of ethics in
> >> computer science and AI. From our own past projects, we have learned
> (among
> >> other things) that pitfalls could include contributor recruitment;
> >> continued maintenance; transparency and accessibility of the UI; unclear
> >> provenance of data; that many communities want a say in how they are
> >> represented online, but often don't have one; and that the biases and
> >> systemic biases of the world are reflected in who contributes, what
> sources
> >> they use, and what areas of focus are. We have also learned that our
> >> relationship with reusers, particularly around structured data that is
> >> highly valued by commercial entities, is poorly defined and tenuous.
> From
> >> the movement to build more ethical AI systems, we've learned (among
> other
> >> things) that flawed model assumptions can result in unpredictable and
> often
> >> deeply harmful downstream outcomes; that most sources of data are not
> >> transparent in their limitations or provenance; and that incorporating
> the
> >> concerns of people affected by systems can result in less biased data
> and
> >> outcomes.
> >>
> >> These are hard problems, and they are not problems that have obvious,
> >> one-size-fits-all solutions. But we do have an obligation I think to
> >> consider these issues front and center in this new project that we are
> >> building. It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project
> proposals
> >> I've seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the
> >> academic 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
HAPPY NEWS :)

We will learn a lot, experience many challenges and it does have the
potential to provide more of the information that is available to us.
Particularly in languages other than English the impact can be huge.

At a Wikidata conference in Berlin we had someone from PanLex present [1],
with the new project this is a collaboration that will make a big
difference.

Happy to see many parts of the puzzle find a place.
Thanks,
  GerardM


[1] https://mobile.wikidatacon.org/#_session-SE-14

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 18:04, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>
> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>
> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>
> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
> how they would use content from this project.
>
> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> the communities to think through these important questions.
>
> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
> close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine Maher
>
> Executive Director,
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
> Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
> [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> ___
> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
> directed to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you Gnangarra! And Butch, and Lodewijk, and Brion, and Erik, and
Joāo, and Christophe, and Isaac, and Galder, and Daniel, and SJ, and
Phoebe, and everyone else, thank you all for the congratulations, and for
your interest!

I am also very excited, and looking forward to it - and thanks in
particular to everyone who expressed willingness to help - there will be
plenty of opportunity for that :)

Thank you all,
Denny



On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:05 PM Gnangarra  wrote:

> sounds like a wonderful project that will help connect cultures and
> languages in a helpful way for the users, look forward to seeing and
> helping its development
>
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 09:26, Butch Bustria  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations on this new opportunity!
> >
> > Once it rolls out to us content contributors, we will be glad to be a
> part
> > of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Butch Bustria
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 12:39 AM Denny Vrandečić 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> > >
> > > I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project,
> > and
> > > deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the
> > Foundation.
> > >
> > > Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project
> in
> > > the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> > > scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice.
> > Thanks
> > > to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on
> the
> > > proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was
> > confident
> > > enough to make this decision.
> > >
> > > There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on
> > your
> > > guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> > > Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in
> the
> > > new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming
> to
> > > new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> > > only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> > >
> > > Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in
> > the
> > > next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering
> your
> > > questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to
> > set
> > > up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project
> > and
> > > planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> > > mailing list [3].
> > >
> > > One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the
> project. A
> > > first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all
> > to
> > > come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did
> I
> > > mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for
> names,
> > > the project itself, and much more?
> > >
> > > Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out
> > with
> > > you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> > >
> > > Stay safe,
> > > Denny
> > >
> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > [2]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> > > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> > > >
> > > > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> > > project
> > > > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> > > good
> > > > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know
> > and
> > > > love.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> > > into
> > > > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's
> > still
> > > > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > > > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed
> as
> > > > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> > > much
> > > > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> > > >
> > > > -- brion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta
> > [1])
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project
> > that
> > > > has
> > > > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> > > Trustees.
> > > > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline
> > encyclopedic
> > > > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and
> > more
> > > > > readers to share 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-04 Thread phoebe ayers
Thanks Denny! I appreciate this, and your thoughtfulness as always.

Thanks for starting an explicit discussion. I think our field (meaning,
computer science & internet projects broadly) often assumes that these
questions will just arise in context, or get solved as we go, but they
rarely do. So making ethics a focus from the start is crucial. There may
not be good "solutions"! But inviting lots of people in to talk about
scenarios etc I think will make a much stronger and innovative project in
the end.

all best,
Phoebe

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 7:54 PM Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> Thank you Phoebe for the congratulations, and thank you for the
> considerations, and I agree with them.
>
> On wiki, Denis Barthel and Ryan Kaldari already raised a number of the
> concerns - although not all - that you are raising here.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Kaldari's_concerns
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Revisiting_and_twisting_a_Kaldari_concern
>
> And I tried to answer some of them there. But I do agree that this is not
> sufficient, and I would love to be able to ensure that the ethical concerns
> you raise do not get lost, and are sufficiently represented when we do the
> project.
>
> Alas, I am also a bit at a loss about how to ensure that. Yes, for some of
> them, we have a pretty good, albeit developing understanding of how to
> cover them, particularly around ethics and AI and about bias and ethical
> data. Also I think doing several best / worst case scenario exercises at
> relevant points is a great idea. The one thing that troubles me most,
> though, is how to ensure that in the new communities that we will foster
> the representation among contributors is indeed more representative of the
> diversity in the world. To the best of my knowledge, we have no answers for
> that - and I would very much want to learn about this.
>
> So, here's what I can promise - among the many topics that we need to
> discuss while we are ramping up the project, I will also start an explicit
> discussion on how to make sure that ethical considerations are sufficiently
> represented during the development of the project. I obviously cannot
> promise that we will successfully avoid all ethical pitfalls - but I can
> promise that I will do my best to do so.
>
> It is, in the end, ethical concerns that motivated me, and some of them
> are discussed and described here:
>
> https://wikipedia20.pubpub.org/pub/vyf7ksah/release/6
>
> It is this motivation of allowing more people to share in more knowledge
> in more languages which drives me.
>
> I hope you'll join us on the new list and keep an eye on what we're doing.
> Your voice would be very appreciated.
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
>
> Thank you!
> Denny
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:07 AM phoebe ayers 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to everyone, this is exciting.
>>
>> It is also very exciting that we have an almost-unprecedented opportunity
>> to build a new project that is fully informed by both lessons from own past
>> projects, as well as from the rapidly developing field of ethics in
>> computer science and AI. From our own past projects, we have learned (among
>> other things) that pitfalls could include contributor recruitment;
>> continued maintenance; transparency and accessibility of the UI; unclear
>> provenance of data; that many communities want a say in how they are
>> represented online, but often don't have one; and that the biases and
>> systemic biases of the world are reflected in who contributes, what sources
>> they use, and what areas of focus are. We have also learned that our
>> relationship with reusers, particularly around structured data that is
>> highly valued by commercial entities, is poorly defined and tenuous. From
>> the movement to build more ethical AI systems, we've learned (among other
>> things) that flawed model assumptions can result in unpredictable and often
>> deeply harmful downstream outcomes; that most sources of data are not
>> transparent in their limitations or provenance; and that incorporating the
>> concerns of people affected by systems can result in less biased data and
>> outcomes.
>>
>> These are hard problems, and they are not problems that have obvious,
>> one-size-fits-all solutions. But we do have an obligation I think to
>> consider these issues front and center in this new project that we are
>> building. It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals
>> I've seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the
>> academic papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we
>> might think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and
>> the impact on existing contributors.
>>
>> In my day job, I am the librarian for a pretty well-known computer
>> science school.[1] There, the recent movement to consider ethics in the
>> computer science curriculum, and in 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you Phoebe for the congratulations, and thank you for the
considerations, and I agree with them.

On wiki, Denis Barthel and Ryan Kaldari already raised a number of the
concerns - although not all - that you are raising here.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Kaldari's_concerns

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Revisiting_and_twisting_a_Kaldari_concern

And I tried to answer some of them there. But I do agree that this is not
sufficient, and I would love to be able to ensure that the ethical concerns
you raise do not get lost, and are sufficiently represented when we do the
project.

Alas, I am also a bit at a loss about how to ensure that. Yes, for some of
them, we have a pretty good, albeit developing understanding of how to
cover them, particularly around ethics and AI and about bias and ethical
data. Also I think doing several best / worst case scenario exercises at
relevant points is a great idea. The one thing that troubles me most,
though, is how to ensure that in the new communities that we will foster
the representation among contributors is indeed more representative of the
diversity in the world. To the best of my knowledge, we have no answers for
that - and I would very much want to learn about this.

So, here's what I can promise - among the many topics that we need to
discuss while we are ramping up the project, I will also start an explicit
discussion on how to make sure that ethical considerations are sufficiently
represented during the development of the project. I obviously cannot
promise that we will successfully avoid all ethical pitfalls - but I can
promise that I will do my best to do so.

It is, in the end, ethical concerns that motivated me, and some of them are
discussed and described here:

https://wikipedia20.pubpub.org/pub/vyf7ksah/release/6

It is this motivation of allowing more people to share in more knowledge in
more languages which drives me.

I hope you'll join us on the new list and keep an eye on what we're doing.
Your voice would be very appreciated.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia

Thank you!
Denny



On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:07 AM phoebe ayers  wrote:

> Congratulations to everyone, this is exciting.
>
> It is also very exciting that we have an almost-unprecedented opportunity
> to build a new project that is fully informed by both lessons from own past
> projects, as well as from the rapidly developing field of ethics in
> computer science and AI. From our own past projects, we have learned (among
> other things) that pitfalls could include contributor recruitment;
> continued maintenance; transparency and accessibility of the UI; unclear
> provenance of data; that many communities want a say in how they are
> represented online, but often don't have one; and that the biases and
> systemic biases of the world are reflected in who contributes, what sources
> they use, and what areas of focus are. We have also learned that our
> relationship with reusers, particularly around structured data that is
> highly valued by commercial entities, is poorly defined and tenuous. From
> the movement to build more ethical AI systems, we've learned (among other
> things) that flawed model assumptions can result in unpredictable and often
> deeply harmful downstream outcomes; that most sources of data are not
> transparent in their limitations or provenance; and that incorporating the
> concerns of people affected by systems can result in less biased data and
> outcomes.
>
> These are hard problems, and they are not problems that have obvious,
> one-size-fits-all solutions. But we do have an obligation I think to
> consider these issues front and center in this new project that we are
> building. It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals
> I've seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the
> academic papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we
> might think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and
> the impact on existing contributors.
>
> In my day job, I am the librarian for a pretty well-known computer science
> school.[1] There, the recent movement to consider ethics in the computer
> science curriculum, and in the systems that our computer scientists build,
> is being discussed now at all levels of the university -- but is being led
> primarily by students who recognize that they have an obligation, as the
> next generation of engineers, to help build better systems for a better
> world.  Meanwhile, as practitioners who build systems at Wikimedia, we
> consider ourselves part of a small group of influential organizations that
> is "making the internet not suck" -- we believe in openness, in community,
> and in making sure that everyone in the world has access to knowledge, in
> their own language; we believe in an aspirational better world. As a part
> of this mission, we must take questions of ethics 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-03 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you SJ, thank you all, for your very welcoming words, and your
congratulations!

Regarding Wikispore, yes, this is one of the first conversations that we
will have - where the preparatory discussions should happen. I am very much
in favor of Wikispore for that, as it is literally meant for that, but we
need to figure out a few things together.

I'll kick that off next week :)

And I agree, this way we can help each other to create even more fertile
ground for new ideas. I am very excited about that!


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:25 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Best news all year. Thank you for moving swiftly on this :)
>
> It has been a fine thing too, to see WikiLambda experiments on Wikispore.
> https://wikispore.wmflabs.org
>
> I hope this may Herald a new wave of new and complementary projects.
> There are yet so many types of knowledge that have not found a home in our
> wikiverse -- we are devising more every year (here's looking at you,
> thingiverse & ML model hubs) -- and most of them do not naturally end up
> with free knowledge platforms of their own.
>
> SJ
>
> 
>
> On Thu., Jul. 2, 2020, 12:04 p.m. Katherine Maher, 
> wrote:
>
>> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
>> has been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
>> Trustees. Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline
>> encyclopedic content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors
>> and more readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an
>> approach that aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our
>> projects, increase the sustainability of our movement through expanding
>> access to participation, improve the user experience for readers of all
>> languages, and innovate in free knowledge by connecting some of the
>> strengths of our movement to create something new.
>>
>> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
>> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
>> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
>> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
>> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
>> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
>> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
>> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
>> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
>> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>>
>> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
>> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
>> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
>> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
>> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
>> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
>> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
>> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>>
>> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
>> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
>> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
>> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
>> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
>> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
>> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
>> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>>
>> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
>> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
>> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
>> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
>> how they would use content from this project.
>>
>> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
>> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
>> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
>> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
>> the communities to think through these important questions.
>>
>> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia
>> in close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get
>> involved by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4].
>> We recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize
>> its potential. We invite you all to join us on a 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-03 Thread phoebe ayers
Congratulations to everyone, this is exciting.

It is also very exciting that we have an almost-unprecedented opportunity
to build a new project that is fully informed by both lessons from own past
projects, as well as from the rapidly developing field of ethics in
computer science and AI. From our own past projects, we have learned (among
other things) that pitfalls could include contributor recruitment;
continued maintenance; transparency and accessibility of the UI; unclear
provenance of data; that many communities want a say in how they are
represented online, but often don't have one; and that the biases and
systemic biases of the world are reflected in who contributes, what sources
they use, and what areas of focus are. We have also learned that our
relationship with reusers, particularly around structured data that is
highly valued by commercial entities, is poorly defined and tenuous. From
the movement to build more ethical AI systems, we've learned (among other
things) that flawed model assumptions can result in unpredictable and often
deeply harmful downstream outcomes; that most sources of data are not
transparent in their limitations or provenance; and that incorporating the
concerns of people affected by systems can result in less biased data and
outcomes.

These are hard problems, and they are not problems that have obvious,
one-size-fits-all solutions. But we do have an obligation I think to
consider these issues front and center in this new project that we are
building. It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals
I've seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the
academic papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we
might think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and
the impact on existing contributors.

In my day job, I am the librarian for a pretty well-known computer science
school.[1] There, the recent movement to consider ethics in the computer
science curriculum, and in the systems that our computer scientists build,
is being discussed now at all levels of the university -- but is being led
primarily by students who recognize that they have an obligation, as the
next generation of engineers, to help build better systems for a better
world.  Meanwhile, as practitioners who build systems at Wikimedia, we
consider ourselves part of a small group of influential organizations that
is "making the internet not suck" -- we believe in openness, in community,
and in making sure that everyone in the world has access to knowledge, in
their own language; we believe in an aspirational better world. As a part
of this mission, we must take questions of ethics seriously -- and we do.
We have collectively spent thousands of hours trying to expand our
contributor base; thinking about systemic bias; thinking about sources and
provenance; trying to open up copyright to make knowledge accessible;
working with communities on indigenous knowledge; building UIs that are
easier to contribute to. These are all efforts related to our ethics and
values. With our new projects, we can set precedent. We can explore the
problems that we face today on Wikipedia, Wikidata, and Commons and
consider not just how to avoid them but how to build a better project. We
can do this in a multilingual context with perspectives from volunteers and
staff around the world, in a way that almost no other projects online --
certainly no single university or research group -- can. We can, without
much legacy infrastructure to hamper us, spin out worst-case and best case
scenarios, ask questions about our data and who might participate, think
about downstream consequences. And *that* is truly exciting.

best,
-- Phoebe


[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Computer_Science_and_Artificial_Intelligence_Laboratory



On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:04 PM Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Gnangarra
sounds like a wonderful project that will help connect cultures and
languages in a helpful way for the users, look forward to seeing and
helping its development

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 09:26, Butch Bustria  wrote:

> Congratulations on this new opportunity!
>
> Once it rolls out to us content contributors, we will be glad to be a part
> of it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Butch Bustria
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 12:39 AM Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
>
> > Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> >
> > I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project,
> and
> > deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the
> Foundation.
> >
> > Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> > the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> > scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice.
> Thanks
> > to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> > proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was
> confident
> > enough to make this decision.
> >
> > There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on
> your
> > guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> > Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> > new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> > new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> > only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> >
> > Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in
> the
> > next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> > questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to
> set
> > up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project
> and
> > planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> > mailing list [3].
> >
> > One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> > first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all
> to
> > come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> > mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> > the project itself, and much more?
> >
> > Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out
> with
> > you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> >
> > Stay safe,
> > Denny
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> > [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> > [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> > >
> > > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> > project
> > > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> > good
> > > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know
> and
> > > love.
> > >
> > > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> > into
> > > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's
> still
> > > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> > much
> > > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> > >
> > > -- brion
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta
> [1])
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project
> that
> > > has
> > > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> > Trustees.
> > > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline
> encyclopedic
> > > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and
> more
> > > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> > that
> > > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects,
> increase
> > > the
> > > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> > participation,
> > > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and
> innovate
> > in
> > > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > > create something new.
> > > >
> > > > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia
> > was
> > > > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> > > after
> > > > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and
> > lively
> > > > discussions in the Wikimedia 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Butch Bustria
Congratulations on this new opportunity!

Once it rolls out to us content contributors, we will be glad to be a part
of it.



Kind regards,

Butch Bustria

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 12:39 AM Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
>
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
>
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
>
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
>
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
>
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
>
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
>
> Stay safe,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> >
> > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> project
> > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> good
> > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> > love.
> >
> > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> into
> > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> much
> > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> > has
> > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> that
> > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> > the
> > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> participation,
> > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate
> in
> > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > create something new.
> > >
> > > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia
> was
> > > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> > after
> > > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and
> lively
> > > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and
> the
> > > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers,
> and
> > > information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> > > language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> > > Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> > > models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and
> > maintain
> > > Wikipedia articles 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread effe iets anders
I guess that depends on whether you count WikiVoyage to be launched in 2003
or 2013 :)

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Christophe Henner <
christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is a great news!!! Congratulations :)
>
> Just so we are all on the same page, the last approved project was Wikidata
> right?
>
> And back then, one of initial core members of the project was someone
> called Denny Vrandečić too, right?
>
> Denny, I'm happy to say that is how patterns start...
>
> Stay safe and take care ^^
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le jeu. 2 juil. 2020 à 7:28 PM, Daniel Mietchen via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> a écrit :
>
> > Good to see such an abstract proposal to reach this point on the way
> > towards becoming a very real Wikimedia project!
> > d.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> > galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Excited to see even how this mind-blowing idea comes to live!
> > >
> > > Congratulations
> > >
> > > Galder
> > > ________
> > > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> of
> > > Isaac Olatunde 
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:01 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new
> > > Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia
> > >
> > > Wow! This is a great news.
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing Katherine.
> > >
> > > With best wishes
> > >
> > > Isaac.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> > > >
> > > > I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new
> project,
> > > and
> > > > deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the
> > > Foundation.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project
> > in
> > > > the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> > > > scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice.
> > > Thanks
> > > > to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on
> > the
> > > > proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was
> > > confident
> > > > enough to make this decision.
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on
> > > your
> > > > guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new
> community.
> > > > Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in
> > the
> > > > new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming
> > to
> > > > new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement
> not
> > > > only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> > > >
> > > > Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention
> in
> > > the
> > > > next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering
> > your
> > > > questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is
> to
> > > set
> > > > up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the
> project
> > > and
> > > > planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new,
> dedicated
> > > > mailing list [3].
> > > >
> > > > One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the
> > project. A
> > > > first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you
> all
> > > to
> > > > come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August.
> Did
> > I
> > > > mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for
> > names,
> > > > the project itself, and much more?
> > > >
> > > > Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing
> out
> > > with
> > > > you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> > > >
> > > > Stay safe,
> > > > Denny
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > > [2]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > > [3] https:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Erik Moeller
This is wonderful news. :)

Thank you for the foresight to support this important initiative, and
huge thanks to Denny for continuing to tirelessly explore new ways to
make knowledge truly universally accessible! This project has the
potential to become a new foundation for learning about our world in
any language. I look forward to seeing this idea come to its fullest
fruition.

Warmly,

Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread João Alexandre Peschanski
Denny, this is very exciting! Congratulations to this wonderful opportunity.

We should definitely organize a Wikidata Lab on the new project and how we
can engage with it. (We might actually have to change the name of the labs,
damn!) Whenever you think is the right time for this event and if you
indeed think it is worth doing it, please let me know and we'll make it
work!

Again, this is great news! Count us in!

João

Em qui., 2 de jul. de 2020 às 13:39, Denny Vrandečić 
escreveu:

> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
>
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
>
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
>
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
>
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
>
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
>
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
>
> Stay safe,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> >
> > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> project
> > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> good
> > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> > love.
> >
> > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> into
> > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> much
> > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> > has
> > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> that
> > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> > the
> > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> participation,
> > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate
> in
> > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > create something new.
> > >
> > > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia
> was
> > > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> > after
> > > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and
> lively
> > > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and
> the
> > > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers,
> and
> > > information that is available in one language may not make 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Christophe Henner
That is a great news!!! Congratulations :)

Just so we are all on the same page, the last approved project was Wikidata
right?

And back then, one of initial core members of the project was someone
called Denny Vrandečić too, right?

Denny, I'm happy to say that is how patterns start...

Stay safe and take care ^^






Le jeu. 2 juil. 2020 à 7:28 PM, Daniel Mietchen via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> a écrit :

> Good to see such an abstract proposal to reach this point on the way
> towards becoming a very real Wikimedia project!
> d.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Excited to see even how this mind-blowing idea comes to live!
> >
> > Congratulations
> >
> > Galder
> > 
> > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> > Isaac Olatunde 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:01 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new
> > Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia
> >
> > Wow! This is a great news.
> >
> > Thanks for sharing Katherine.
> >
> > With best wishes
> >
> > Isaac.
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić,  wrote:
> >
> > > Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> > >
> > > I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project,
> > and
> > > deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the
> > Foundation.
> > >
> > > Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project
> in
> > > the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> > > scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice.
> > Thanks
> > > to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on
> the
> > > proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was
> > confident
> > > enough to make this decision.
> > >
> > > There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on
> > your
> > > guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> > > Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in
> the
> > > new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming
> to
> > > new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> > > only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> > >
> > > Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in
> > the
> > > next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering
> your
> > > questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to
> > set
> > > up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project
> > and
> > > planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> > > mailing list [3].
> > >
> > > One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the
> project. A
> > > first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all
> > to
> > > come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did
> I
> > > mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for
> names,
> > > the project itself, and much more?
> > >
> > > Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out
> > with
> > > you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> > >
> > > Stay safe,
> > > Denny
> > >
> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > [2]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> > > [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> > > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> > > >
> > > > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> > > project
> > > > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> > > good
> > > > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know
> > and
> > > > love.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is really to make the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Daniel Mietchen via Wikimedia-l
Good to see such an abstract proposal to reach this point on the way
towards becoming a very real Wikimedia project!
d.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Excited to see even how this mind-blowing idea comes to live!
>
> Congratulations
>
> Galder
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> Isaac Olatunde 
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:01 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new
> Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia
>
> Wow! This is a great news.
>
> Thanks for sharing Katherine.
>
> With best wishes
>
> Isaac.
>
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić,  wrote:
>
> > Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
> >
> > I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project,
> and
> > deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the
> Foundation.
> >
> > Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> > the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> > scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice.
> Thanks
> > to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> > proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was
> confident
> > enough to make this decision.
> >
> > There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on
> your
> > guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> > Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> > new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> > new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> > only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
> >
> > Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in
> the
> > next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> > questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to
> set
> > up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project
> and
> > planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> > mailing list [3].
> >
> > One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> > first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all
> to
> > come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> > mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> > the project itself, and much more?
> >
> > Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out
> with
> > you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
> >
> > Stay safe,
> > Denny
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> > [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> > [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> > >
> > > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> > project
> > > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> > good
> > > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know
> and
> > > love.
> > >
> > > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> > into
> > > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's
> still
> > > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> > much
> > > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> > >
> > > -- brion
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta
> [1])
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project
> that
> > > has
> > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Best news all year. Thank you for moving swiftly on this :)

It has been a fine thing too, to see WikiLambda experiments on Wikispore.
https://wikispore.wmflabs.org

I hope this may Herald a new wave of new and complementary projects.  There
are yet so many types of knowledge that have not found a home in our
wikiverse -- we are devising more every year (here's looking at you,
thingiverse & ML model hubs) -- and most of them do not naturally end up
with free knowledge platforms of their own.

SJ



On Thu., Jul. 2, 2020, 12:04 p.m. Katherine Maher, 
wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>
> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>
> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>
> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
> how they would use content from this project.
>
> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> the communities to think through these important questions.
>
> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
> close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine Maher
>
> Executive Director,
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
> Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
> [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> ___
> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
> directed to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Excited to see even how this mind-blowing idea comes to live!

Congratulations

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Isaac 
Olatunde 
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia 
project: Abstract Wikipedia

Wow! This is a great news.

Thanks for sharing Katherine.

With best wishes

Isaac.

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić,  wrote:

> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
>
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
>
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
>
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
>
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
>
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
>
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
>
> Stay safe,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> >
> > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> project
> > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> good
> > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> > love.
> >
> > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> into
> > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> much
> > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> > has
> > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> that
> > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> > the
> > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> participation,
> > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate
> in
> > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > create something new.
> > >
> > > This is our first n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Wow! This is a great news.

Thanks for sharing Katherine.

With best wishes

Isaac.

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić,  wrote:

> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
>
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
>
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
>
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
>
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
>
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
>
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
>
> Stay safe,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> >
> > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> project
> > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> good
> > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> > love.
> >
> > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> into
> > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> much
> > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> > has
> > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> that
> > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> > the
> > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> participation,
> > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate
> in
> > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > create something new.
> > >
> > > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia
> was
> > > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> > after
> > > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and
> lively
> > > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and
> the
> > > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers,
> and
> > > information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> > > language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> > > Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> > > models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and
> > maintain
> > > Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
> > >
> > > The project will allow 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!

I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.

Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
enough to make this decision.

There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
only with new functionalities, but also with new people.

Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
mailing list [3].

One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
the project itself, and much more?

Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.

Stay safe,
Denny

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
[3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name



On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:

> I'm extremely excited about this project!
>
> Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating project
> in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up good
> base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> love.
>
> The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting into
> Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but much
> more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
>
> -- brion
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
>
> > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> has
> > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> the
> > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > create something new.
> >
> > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> after
> > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> > information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> > language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> > Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> > models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and
> maintain
> > Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
> >
> > The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> > article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> > conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> > should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge
> to
> > create models for articles that also have universal value. Using 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi,

This is really an exciting news. This ambitious project will fill up the
knowledge gaps in different languages for sure and will definitely play a
vital role in preserving endangered and near-extinct languages in future.

Best wishes,
Bodhisattwa



On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 21:54 Brion Vibber  wrote:

> I'm extremely excited about this project!
>
> Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating project
> in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up good
> base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> love.
>
> The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting into
> Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but much
> more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
>
> -- brion
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
>
> > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> has
> > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> the
> > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > create something new.
> >
> > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> after
> > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> > information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> > language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> > Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> > models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and
> maintain
> > Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
> >
> > The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> > article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> > conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> > should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge
> to
> > create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> > volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> > own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to
> read
> > about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
> >
> > As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> > and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> > possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and
> lead
> > this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a
> long-time
> > community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> > former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> > Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project
> alongside
> > the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
> >
> > It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> > that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may
> offer
> > some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less.
> Every
> > language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether
> or
> > how they would use content from this project.
> >
> > We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> > knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites
> us
> > to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> > knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> > the communities to think through these important questions.
> >
> > There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia
> in
> > close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> > by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> > recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> > potential. We 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Brion Vibber
I'm extremely excited about this project!

Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating project
in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up good
base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
love.

The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting into
Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but much
more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.

-- brion


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher  wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>
> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>
> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>
> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
> how they would use content from this project.
>
> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> the communities to think through these important questions.
>
> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
> close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine Maher
>
> Executive Director,
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
> Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
> [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Tito Dutta
Excellent news. Congratulations and glad to see this project being approved.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 9:34 PM Katherine Maher  wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>
> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>
> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>
> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
> how they would use content from this project.
>
> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> the communities to think through these important questions.
>
> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
> close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine Maher
>
> Executive Director,
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
> Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
> [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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2020-07-02 Thread Katherine Maher
(A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])

Hi all,

It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
create something new.

This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
information that is available in one language may not make it to other
language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.

The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.

As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.

It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
how they would use content from this project.

We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
the communities to think through these important questions.

There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.

Yours,
Katherine Maher

Executive Director,
Wikimedia Foundation

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
[4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
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Executive Director

Wikimedia Foundation 
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