Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
Siko and fellows, This is really great; thank you for publishing it! Lodewijk: yes, we could use a newsletter covering the full range of amazing things happening in the wide wiki world. It would be much easier today, with dozens of small, focused, reliable news sources within the movement, than in years past. If anyone is interested in publishing such a compilation, but unsure how to get started, perhaps we could organize a series of office hours on options and formats for publishing community news. SJ On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: > Hi all, > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the Fellowship > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > Projects covered in this edition include: > *Dispute Resolution > *Gender Gap > *Help Pages Redesign > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > *Teahouse > *Translations > > -- > Siko Bouterse > Head of Community Fellowships > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
Ah yes, some more context would have been good in my original post :-) The fellows decided to put together a monthly digest that rolls together all their updates from their projects in the past month, because we noticed that until now everyone in our group shares progress and learning in different ways for each fellowship project, it can take a lot of hunting to find it all, and isn't always as transparent as we would like. We wanted a way to start sharing as a group what the fellows "team" is doing. I also like the idea because those who are interested in the fellows program and browse our meta pages now have a place to sample what fellows actually do each month. We do report some of this in the WMF metrics report each month, and that won't change (it will just make it easier for me to write, since the info will be compiled already!) - so to some degree, Lodewijk, I think the fellowship news has always been incorporated into a report with other cool stuff being done by staff and volunteers. I would love to see more updates from others on cool projects, though, and don't want this to be seen as a split. If this inspires someone to roll this all up together elsewhere that would be great! We've got to start somewhere still. If is not of interest to those on the mailing lists - I know there are a lot of things to read out there already - we don't need to announce each month though, they can be watched and subscribed to on-wiki. Confirming Maggie's thoughts, Richard, this report covers all projects being worked on by current fellows (which can, indeed, be a varied range of topics!). Siko > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:43:46 -0400 > From: Maggie Dennis > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the > Fellowship News > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), > but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on > fellowships by WMF Fellows. > > Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool > things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If somebody chooses to > put something like that together, surely having material to incorporate > about Fellows would be useful? The content is freely licensed and can be > reused (and modified) like other material on the projects under the same > terms. > > Maggie > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering > > how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice > > program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool > > things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this off in > > a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm afraid > > you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you would > > otherwise. > > > > Lodewijk > > > > 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds > > > > > Thanks Siko! > > > > > > Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small > > > Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will > > > change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's > > written. > > > Is there an overarching theme? > > > > > > Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK > > > On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the > > Fellowship > > > > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > > > > > > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > > > > > > > Projects covered in this edition include: > > > > *Dispute Resolution > > > > *Gender Gap > > > > *Help Pages Redesign > > > > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > > > > *Teahouse > > > > *Translations > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Siko Bouterse > > > > Head of Community Fellowships > > > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > > > > > > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > > > > directed to
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
I'll echo Sarah's thoughts regarding Fellowships vs. Wikipedians in Residence. There is a very clear difference, in my mind. With a Wikipedian in Residence, the organization (not Wikimedia) supports, funds (in most cases), and "houses" (gives desk space and other resources) to a Wikipedian for the sake of connecting that institution's staff and resources with the Wikipedia community. It's working from the external institution, and connecting with the Wikipedia community. A Fellowship is a Wikimedia Foundation role, and I'm not going to attempt to define it again because Steven, Sarah, Siko, and others can do a much better job than I could : ). But I would argue that typically a Fellow is not working to "connect" with one singular outside institution/organization. They are working on broader goals for the benefit of the movement. Hence, I would in no way say that a resident is some lower form of resident. They are very different things, and both, I would argue, are continually evolving. (For example, when the residency idea started, none were paid at all, but as things have progressed and residents become more sought after, there is now a precedent that they are compensated in some way -- more and more the position is actually becoming quite lucrative.) Happy to answer any other questions in this regard, Lori On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > As a former Wikipedian in Residence and a current fellow - I don't feel > they are the same thing. At least in the United States! (Especially where > the title "fellowship" has a scholarly prestige behind it in a way > residence don't) > > I have been both a paid and unpaid resident, and they have both had the > same equal level of importance in my eyes! I also was a masters student > earning college credit for the unpaid internship, so I suppose I was "paid" > and if you knew the level of pay I was funded for my other residency - its > peanuts compared to what other paid residence receive (and I am grateful > for it, don't think I am not). > > For those interested in GLAM Wikipedian in residence there is the This > Month in GLAM newsletter, which I'm unable to access this second. > > Also, the fellowship application process is dramatically different then > the residency process. But, that is based on my role in applying to both, > and consulting on multiple residency positions! > > Wikipedians in residence are also "not" associated with the Wikimedia > foundation - they are funded by entirely different entities and not managed > by anyone at the Wikimedia Foundation. I never has a wikimedia email until > I became a fellow! > > I also have completely different goals as a fellow versus my goals as a > Wikipedian in residence (two times). Exploring ways to close the gender gap > versus working for the specific mission of a cultural institution to share > their contents with a broader audience are pretty different and the same > could be said about other fellows/residence. > > Just my two cents as the only fellow thus far to also be a Wikipedian in > residence! :-) > > Sarah > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Hubert wrote: > > > I can´t see really a difference between Wikipedian in residence and > > WMF-Fellowships. Except the financial source: WMF-founded vs. > > Chapter-founded. > > > > The goals are the almost the same. > > > > What happens with Wikipedian in residence which will not get any > > salaries? Will this be a third class? Are they maybe unofficial? > > > > h. > > > > Am 09.07.2012 13:43, schrieb Maggie Dennis: > >> I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), > >> but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on > >> fellowships by WMF Fellows. > >> > >> Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool > >> things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If somebody chooses to > >> put something like that together, surely having material to incorporate > >> about Fellows would be useful? The content is freely licensed and can be > >> reused (and modified) like other material on the projects under the same > >> terms. > >> > >> Maggie > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Lodewijk >wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also > wondering > >>> how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice > >>> program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly > cool > >>> things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this > off in > >>> a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm > afraid > >>> you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you > would > >>> otherwise. > >>> > >>> Lodewijk > >>> > >>> 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds > >>> > Thanks Siko! > > Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, > small > Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
As a former Wikipedian in Residence and a current fellow - I don't feel they are the same thing. At least in the United States! (Especially where the title "fellowship" has a scholarly prestige behind it in a way residence don't) I have been both a paid and unpaid resident, and they have both had the same equal level of importance in my eyes! I also was a masters student earning college credit for the unpaid internship, so I suppose I was "paid" and if you knew the level of pay I was funded for my other residency - its peanuts compared to what other paid residence receive (and I am grateful for it, don't think I am not). For those interested in GLAM Wikipedian in residence there is the This Month in GLAM newsletter, which I'm unable to access this second. Also, the fellowship application process is dramatically different then the residency process. But, that is based on my role in applying to both, and consulting on multiple residency positions! Wikipedians in residence are also "not" associated with the Wikimedia foundation - they are funded by entirely different entities and not managed by anyone at the Wikimedia Foundation. I never has a wikimedia email until I became a fellow! I also have completely different goals as a fellow versus my goals as a Wikipedian in residence (two times). Exploring ways to close the gender gap versus working for the specific mission of a cultural institution to share their contents with a broader audience are pretty different and the same could be said about other fellows/residence. Just my two cents as the only fellow thus far to also be a Wikipedian in residence! :-) Sarah Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Hubert wrote: > I can´t see really a difference between Wikipedian in residence and > WMF-Fellowships. Except the financial source: WMF-founded vs. > Chapter-founded. > > The goals are the almost the same. > > What happens with Wikipedian in residence which will not get any > salaries? Will this be a third class? Are they maybe unofficial? > > h. > > Am 09.07.2012 13:43, schrieb Maggie Dennis: >> I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), >> but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on >> fellowships by WMF Fellows. >> >> Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool >> things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If somebody chooses to >> put something like that together, surely having material to incorporate >> about Fellows would be useful? The content is freely licensed and can be >> reused (and modified) like other material on the projects under the same >> terms. >> >> Maggie >> >> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering >>> how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice >>> program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool >>> things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this off in >>> a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm afraid >>> you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you would >>> otherwise. >>> >>> Lodewijk >>> >>> 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds >>> Thanks Siko! Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's >>> written. Is there an overarching theme? Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" >>> wrote: > Hi all, > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the >>> Fellowship > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > Projects covered in this edition include: > *Dispute Resolution > *Gender Gap > *Help Pages Redesign > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > *Teahouse > *Translations > > -- > Siko Bouterse > Head of Community Fellowships > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
I can´t see really a difference between Wikipedian in residence and WMF-Fellowships. Except the financial source: WMF-founded vs. Chapter-founded. The goals are the almost the same. What happens with Wikipedian in residence which will not get any salaries? Will this be a third class? Are they maybe unofficial? h. Am 09.07.2012 13:43, schrieb Maggie Dennis: > I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), > but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on > fellowships by WMF Fellows. > > Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool > things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If somebody chooses to > put something like that together, surely having material to incorporate > about Fellows would be useful? The content is freely licensed and can be > reused (and modified) like other material on the projects under the same > terms. > > Maggie > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering >> how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice >> program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool >> things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this off in >> a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm afraid >> you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you would >> otherwise. >> >> Lodewijk >> >> 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds >> >>> Thanks Siko! >>> >>> Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small >>> Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will >>> change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's >> written. >>> Is there an overarching theme? >>> >>> Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK >>> On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" >> wrote: >>> Hi all, I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the >> Fellowship News is now available on Meta-Wiki! Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News Projects covered in this edition include: *Dispute Resolution *Gender Gap *Help Pages Redesign *Small Wiki Editor Engagement *Teahouse *Translations -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l >>> ___ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on fellowships by WMF Fellows. Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If somebody chooses to put something like that together, surely having material to incorporate about Fellows would be useful? The content is freely licensed and can be reused (and modified) like other material on the projects under the same terms. Maggie On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi, > > while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering > how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice > program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool > things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this off in > a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm afraid > you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you would > otherwise. > > Lodewijk > > 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds > > > Thanks Siko! > > > > Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small > > Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will > > change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's > written. > > Is there an overarching theme? > > > > Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK > > On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the > Fellowship > > > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > > > > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > > > > > Projects covered in this edition include: > > > *Dispute Resolution > > > *Gender Gap > > > *Help Pages Redesign > > > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > > > *Teahouse > > > *Translations > > > > > > -- > > > Siko Bouterse > > > Head of Community Fellowships > > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > > > > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > > > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > > > community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > > > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > > > wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Maggie Dennis Community Liaison WikimediaFoundation.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
Hi, while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool things (no offence) - as are "real" staff members. By splitting this off in a seperate news section (as we have been splitting off a lot) I'm afraid you might be putting the news actually on a bigger distance than you would otherwise. Lodewijk 2012/7/6 Richard Symonds > Thanks Siko! > > Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small > Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will > change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's written. > Is there an overarching theme? > > Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK > On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the Fellowship > > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > > > Projects covered in this edition include: > > *Dispute Resolution > > *Gender Gap > > *Help Pages Redesign > > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > > *Teahouse > > *Translations > > > > -- > > Siko Bouterse > > Head of Community Fellowships > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > > community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > > wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
Hi all, I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the Fellowship News is now available on Meta-Wiki! Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News Projects covered in this edition include: *Dispute Resolution *Gender Gap *Help Pages Redesign *Small Wiki Editor Engagement *Teahouse *Translations -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News
Thanks Siko! Could you explain what exactly this covers? Teahouse, translations, small Wikis and dispute resolution is a very wide net - and presumably it will change according to which fellows are 'employed' at the time it's written. Is there an overarching theme? Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 6, 2012 11:54 PM, "Siko Bouterse" wrote: > Hi all, > I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the Fellowship > News is now available on Meta-Wiki! > > Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News > > Projects covered in this edition include: > *Dispute Resolution > *Gender Gap > *Help Pages Redesign > *Small Wiki Editor Engagement > *Teahouse > *Translations > > -- > Siko Bouterse > Head of Community Fellowships > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately > directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia > community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ > WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list > wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l > > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
