Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 October 2012 13:58, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I am deeply concerned > about any collaboration with people who practice censorship. At this point I'm boggling. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https:/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Osama Khalid wrote: > Actually, censorship is imposed through a national proxy run by the > Communication and Information Technology Commission[1]. ISPs do not > get to pick and choose. > > [0]: http://www.econtent.org.sa/ > [1]: http://internet.sa/ > > Just not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks for the info, Osama. Andreas On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Osama Khalid wrote: > I am from Saudi Arabia, so I guess I will be able to explain a few > issues. > > First of all, it's important to note that Saudi Arabia is a good > example of a pretty much totalitarian state, with many g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread Kul Wadhwa
Hi Yann, Thanks Kul for your message. > My pleasure. I appreciate that you're asking all these questions, and they're good questions. It's important that we continue to do things the right way. > The suspiction came also because of a mention of "improving content in > the Arabic Wikipedia." I u

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, 2012/10/16 Kul Wadhwa : > The goal in working with Intigral/STC is to remove barriers so more people > in the world can have access to free knowledge, and in this specific case > it's in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain. There isn't a "deal" here that > involves content management, revenue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-16 Thread Kul Wadhwa
The goal in working with Intigral/STC is to remove barriers so more people in the world can have access to free knowledge, and in this specific case it's in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain. There isn't a "deal" here that involves content management, revenue (no money exchanges hands), or anything

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Osama Khalid
I am from Saudi Arabia, so I guess I will be able to explain a few issues. First of all, it's important to note that Saudi Arabia is a good example of a pretty much totalitarian state, with many governmental agencies and institutions, the core of which, say the interior and media ministries, play

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Ciphers Wikip
> That's a difficult question, and a worthwhile debate. Indeed it is. > I would first ask people of South Arabia fighting against censorship > what would help them most. That may provide a clue in which direction > we should work. I have never been to Saudi Arabia, and I don`t think I am the best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Yann Forget
2012/10/16 Ciphers Wikip : >>Well, this telecom company is the arm of the government to impose >> censorship in KSA. >> This is a poor excuse. In creating such a partnership, WMF is >> implicitely supporting the censorship by providing a moral caution, >> even if it is not directly involved in cens

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Ciphers Wikip
ndation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2012/10/16 Theo10011 : > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Yann Forget wrote: > >> Hello, &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Yann Forget
2012/10/16 Theo10011 : > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Yann Forget wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> This announcement is worrying, to say the least. >> In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with >> one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor >> on In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm curious: the list of censored topics in KSA (on Wikipedia) seems to be entirely sexual content. Certainly, the KSA censor that, but do they censor any articles that are political or similar topics? Forgive if I've misread the list! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Oct 16, 2012 1:15 AM, "Andrea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Hi Yann > > It's not a partnership with the government, it's with a telecom company Theo, Saudi Telecom was wholly owned by the Saudi government when it was founded in 1998. It held monopolies then. After a partial privatisation in the early

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 15.10.2012 21:19, schrieb Theo10011: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Yann Forget wrote: Hello, This announcement is worrying, to say the least. In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor on In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Yann Forget wrote: > Hello, > > This announcement is worrying, to say the least. > In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with > one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor > on Internet content. > How could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Oct 15, 2012 6:06 PM, "Yann Forget" wrote: > > Hello, > > This announcement is worrying, to say the least. > In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with > one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor > on Internet content. > How could you justif

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, This announcement is worrying, to say the least. In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor on Internet content. How could you justify that? Regards, Yann 2012/10/14 Jay Walsh : > (This press