Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread Samuel Klein
This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread Risker
On 16 October 2013 07:26, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ In theory, I agree. Realistically, most new editors don't know the difference between A and B, or how it will affect their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread Risker
On 16 October 2013 07:31, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread Andrew Gray
This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew. On 15 October 2013 13:11, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-16 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Charles Andrès
Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Craig Franklin
Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354, for those who aren't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Ainali
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Sophie Osterberg
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE? 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a tendency of making errors. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Andrew Gray
Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a completely tool-linked issue ;-) A. On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Ziko van Dijk
This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write an article of their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Chris Keating
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start editing articles right away. Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster! /sarcasm Chris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

2013-10-15 Thread Risker
You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the entry editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors. It is, however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer incrementally.