Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Michael Peel

On 25 Apr 2012, at 19:29, emijrp wrote:

 2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
 
 Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on
 license.
 So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :)
 lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very
 complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's
 very hard to change the licenses.
 The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any
 information on this for Harvard's data?
 
 Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44:
 
 Add ALL at Wikisource!
 
 
 Wikisource? This is only metadata.
 
 
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

A mass dump of all of the information onto Wikisource wouldn't be good - but 
being able to extract complete bibliographies of specific authors on demand 
would actually be quite useful for properly building author pages on 
Wikisource, rather than the current ad-hoc and incomplete lists that currently 
exist. (With the consequence that bibliographies on Wikipedia could be 
'outsourced' to Wikisource, bringing that project much-needed readers and 
editors).

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
that. It might happen before 2015 or not.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher
 lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.
I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) However if people want to
help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
possible.

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
for that of course.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

 Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.

I'm not crying yet :-)

 .. if people want to
 help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
 then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
 able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
 possible.

Thank you Lydia for your reply,
I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as
sister projects users.

 I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
 development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
 the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
 outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.)

I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased,
but let me unburden just this time. :-)

It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work
on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data.

Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata:
it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons,
and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical
infrastructure for manage data.
Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data
could be taken from Author and Books template.
It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and
Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work,
but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course,
but still here we are)

I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach,
so it's OK.

I just wanted to say this louder :-)

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

 Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
 whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
 hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
 there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
 for that of course.

I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do.
Thanks for the info.

Aubrey

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

 Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

 Heh we don't want that to happen obviously.

 I'm not crying yet :-)

Puh... Good ;-)

 .. if people want to
 help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects
 then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be
 able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is
 possible.

 Thank you Lydia for your reply,
 I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as
 sister projects users.

Sounds good. Do try to come to the office hours.

 I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial
 development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for
 the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects
 outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.)

 I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased,
 but let me unburden just this time. :-)

 It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work
 on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data.

 Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata:
 it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons,
 and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical
 infrastructure for manage data.
 Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data
 could be taken from Author and Books template.
 It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and
 Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work,
 but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course,
 but still here we are)

 I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach,
 so it's OK.

 I just wanted to say this louder :-)

As far as I understand it it shouldn't be a problem to store data from
the Author and Books template for example in Wikidata and use it (if
the community agrees that this is something that should be stored
there). Daniel said it needs a bit of modification on the client
extension that someone would need to do though.

 Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

 Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the
 whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office
 hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If
 there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically
 for that of course.

 I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do.
 Thanks for the info.

Great. Let me know if you have more questions.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread Mateus Nobre
Add ALL at Wikisource!

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very good news for Open Library, and for us too.

 2012/4/24 Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org

  This is big news -- though still only part of Harvard's full
  collection of records.
 
  Following the British Library's release of 3M bib records under CC0 18
  months ago:
 
 http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982pageid=icb.page498373
 
  David Weinberger writes:
 
   This is the largest contribution of full bib records we know of.
  
   Stuart Shieber [of the Berkman Center] (and of the Office of Scholarly
   Communication) was the driving force behind this.
  
   Woohoo!
  
   David W.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said 
on license.

So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :)
lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very 
complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's 
very hard to change the licenses.
The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, 
any information on this for Harvard's data?


Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44:

Add ALL at Wikisource!


Wikisource? This is only metadata.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread emijrp
2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com

 Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on
 license.
 So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :)
 lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very
 complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's
 very hard to change the licenses.
 The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any
 information on this for Harvard's data?

 Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44:

 Add ALL at Wikisource!


 Wikisource? This is only metadata.


Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread Andrea Zanni
2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
2015 (i'm gonna cry).

Aubrey

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-24 Thread emijrp
Very good news for Open Library, and for us too.

2012/4/24 Samuel Klein s...@wikimedia.org

 This is big news -- though still only part of Harvard's full
 collection of records.

 Following the British Library's release of 3M bib records under CC0 18
 months ago:
 http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982pageid=icb.page498373

 David Weinberger writes:

  This is the largest contribution of full bib records we know of.
 
  Stuart Shieber [of the Berkman Center] (and of the Office of Scholarly
  Communication) was the driving force behind this.
 
  Woohoo!
 
  David W.

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