[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone
We have replied multiple times that we want the remaining funds from the 2010-11 grants to be considered in conjunction with the FDC proposal. (ie. the FDC proposal is the reallocation request.) This is because it is logistically impractical for us to return any funds to WMF before the end of Wikimania. Winifred informed us of the "out of compliance" well after the grant report was accepted and the FDC eligibility of WMHK was announced. *There was no indication whatsoever that this late notice of "out of compliance" may lead to retrospective disqualification.* Deryck (cc. Patricio and Jan-Bart as the official contacts for FDC complaints. Yes, I'm accusing WMF grants staff of foul play with the FDC rules.) On 29 April 2013 12:50, Thehelpfulone wrote: > Deryck please could you confirm what happened with regards to the unused > funds - did WMHK request a reallocation? > > Sent from my iPhone > > --- > Thehelpfulone > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: "Deryck Chan" > > Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark > > to everyone > > To: > > Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" > > > > See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were > > declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently > found > > new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient > > excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. > > On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" > wrote: > > > >> I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were > eligible > >> (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when > was > >> it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC > >> application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the > effort > >> was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into > this > >> could have been better spent on useful programme work instead. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Craig Franklin > >> > >> > >> On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone > wrote: > >> > >>> On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer wrote: > >>> > I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Liberal_Studies/Report#Remaining_funds > might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation? > >>> > >>> Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the > >> paid > >>> WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition, > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikimedia_Hong_KongshowsWMHKto > still be an eligible entity. > >>> > >>> Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible > >>> entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago? > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Thehelpfulone > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > >>> ___ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Thehelpfulone wrote: > Deryck please could you confirm what happened with regards to the unused > funds - did WMHK request a reallocation? It seem that instead of "unused funds", your question should be reworded to "unaccounted funds" or "funds not used for the stated purpose". That the missing USD 5981 had not been used (and were still sitting in WMHK's bank account) appears to have been the assumption in December when the WMF grants administrator accepted the report for the grant and suggested to offset the amount against an upcoming grant for the chapter. But on February 28 - on the eve of the FDC proposal deadline - Deryck responded explaining that the money had in fact already been used for purposes not mentioned in the grant report. Apart from that, your question seems valid: The path subsequently suggested by the grants administrator to resolve the situation (while indicating implications regarding the chapter's FDC proposal) was to request a reallocation while explaining what the money was spent for, so it is relevant to know whether it was taken. Again, I'm not familiar with this case and am going purely by the text on the linked page. > > Sent from my iPhone > > --- > Thehelpfulone > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan wrote: > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Deryck Chan" >> Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark >> to everyone >> To: >> Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" >> >> See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were >> declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found >> new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient >> excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. >> On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" wrote: >> >>> I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible >>> (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was >>> it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC >>> application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort >>> was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this >>> could have been better spent on useful programme work instead. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Craig Franklin >>> >>> >>> On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone wrote: >>> On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer wrote: > I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Liberal_Studies/Report#Remaining_funds > might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation? Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the >>> paid WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition, >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikimedia_Hong_KongshowsWMHK >>> to still be an eligible entity. Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago? --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>> ___ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone
Deryck please could you confirm what happened with regards to the unused funds - did WMHK request a reallocation? Sent from my iPhone --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Deryck Chan" > Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark > to everyone > To: > Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" > > See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were > declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found > new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient > excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. > On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" wrote: > >> I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible >> (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was >> it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC >> application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort >> was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this >> could have been better spent on useful programme work instead. >> >> Cheers, >> Craig Franklin >> >> >> On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone wrote: >> >>> On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer wrote: >>> I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Liberal_Studies/Report#Remaining_funds might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation? >>> >>> Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the >> paid >>> WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition, >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikimedia_Hong_KongshowsWMHK >> to still be an eligible entity. >>> >>> Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible >>> entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago? >>> >>> --- >>> Thehelpfulone >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone >>> ___ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone
-- Forwarded message -- From: "Deryck Chan" Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone To: Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" wrote: > I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible > (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was > it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC > application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort > was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this > could have been better spent on useful programme work instead. > > Cheers, > Craig Franklin > > > On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone wrote: > > > On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer wrote: > > > > > I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Liberal_Studies/Report#Remaining_funds > > > might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation? > > > > Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the > paid > > WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition, > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikimedia_Hong_KongshowsWMHK > to still be an eligible entity. > > > > Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible > > entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago? > > > > --- > > Thehelpfulone > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
