Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-23 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Using a rather simple pair like Afrikaans - Dutch or a heavily researched one like English - Spanish would be giving us a wrong impression of how this will scale. We should at least add a few random pairs like Yoruba - Gujarati or Kazakh - Lombard. Most of our 67,000 language pairs that we will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-23 Thread David Cuenca
Something to take into account should be the efficiency a language pair can have. For instance, how many articles there are available, how easy is to translate articles, how many bilingual speakers there are for a given pair, and perhaps also, how much it can help to harmonize relationships

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-22 Thread David Cuenca
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: As with so many things, it will be hard to assess cost/benefits without making some effort. A safe bet could be to try with an existing pair or develop a pair with an estimated high demand. Is there a pair where some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-19 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Predicted demographics: 95% women from the global south :) (-: I am personally hesitant about automatic translations, and whether we can achieve the coverage (in language pairs) and the quality (of Wikipedia). But that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-13 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: [...] It might lead to a glorious future, where we really create an open source system that allows everyone to write in every language and express a wide range of human thought. As much as I love this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Jane Darnell
Love it! 2013/8/7, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de: I have been thinking about this for a while, and now finally managed to write it down as a proposal. Details are on meta on the following link, below is the intro to the proposal:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
This may work very fine for little stubs about repetitive stuff, like the introductions of cities (location, population, foundation date, country, etc). But, how will that work for the rest of sections of Berlin (history, geography, politics...)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin 2013/8/7

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I thought so myself, but then I did a bit of research to figure out the state of natural language generation. I could not find easily a current state of the art, but I found this list of examples on the KPML website that is linked from the proposal, they are from 1998:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks for sharing your very interesting ideas. While I am not fully support your idea of implementation, I share your basic view of the need and think some of the concepts you introduce has a very high potential to better utilize the power of us having many versions. I have put in my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Most times the best approach is a compilation of several approaches. Perhaps we can use the Denny system for the little introduction of articles (for example: geography, biographies) and optional automatic translation for the rest of the article. I mean, if you follow a red link in a little

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Thank you, Anders. Yes, I published the idea in order to garner feedback and further evolve it. It is by no means ready-perfect-finished, it is rather really just a first draft. So suggestions, constructive critique, and improvements are obviously extremely welcome. -- 2013/8/7 Anders

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-07 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Obviously, this system should be only used as far as it carries. I don't know how far it might carry us - it might fail miserably, and not get beyond the Rome is a city. Rome is in Italy. Rome is known for The Colosseum, coffee and Vatican City (state). stage. It might lead to a glorious future,

[Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

2013-08-06 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I have been thinking about this for a while, and now finally managed to write it down as a proposal. Details are on meta on the following link, below is the intro to the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_multilingual_Wikipedia I tried to anticipate some possible