Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-05-21 Thread
On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
 a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
 API.

For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have
what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta
automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF
maintains.

The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions

I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google
spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with
on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it
can find a copy of the Python script at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions

I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to
check/update the table once a week:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot

Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-05-21 Thread James Alexander
Thanks so much for the help with this Fæ!

James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
  a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
  API.

 For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have
 what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta
 automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF
 maintains.

 The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions

 I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google
 spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with
 on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it
 can find a copy of the Python script at
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions

 I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to
 check/update the table once a week:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot

 Fae
 --
 fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-05-14 Thread
On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21/04/2014, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 ...
 we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
 here
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin

 James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to
 File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
 a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
 API.

Ping.

I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to
this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is
there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public
spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table
of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's
excellent but closed-source collaboration tools?

Thanks,
Fae
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fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-05-14 Thread James Alexander
I'm heading to bed but will follow up with you tomorrow from the office.
Publishing is on for that sheet at the moment (that's what I'm using to
show it through the link I gave) so not exactly sure what else you need but
I'd love if faebot was able to help keep it synced up on wiki.

Actually, others may have figured it out (I know the one on wiki works),
but I just noticed that particular link was broken somehow in my email
(sysadmin got added to the end). The correct, working, link is
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=html



James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 21/04/2014, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  ...
  we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
  here
 
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
 
  James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to
  File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
  a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
  API.

 Ping.

 I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to
 this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is
 there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public
 spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table
 of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's
 excellent but closed-source collaboration tools?

 Thanks,
 Fae
 --
 fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-22 Thread Gryllida
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote:
 On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote:
  On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
  nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:
 
Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with
  parentheses.
  It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
  doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
 
  Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
  disambiguations.
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick
 
  Then Gary, WMF?
 
 
  Nemo
 
 Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
 would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
 makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
 and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
 be the norm.
 
 -I

Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history 
of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier.

Gryllida.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood
Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It 
can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a 
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add 
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them 
removed

Peter
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username



On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote:


Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be 
the norm.




That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope 
with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both 
exist.


Chris


Chris McKenna

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood 
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It
 can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
 string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
 affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
 removed
 Peter
 - Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org
 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username




Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the affiliation
variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood

Hence the suggestion that the user has to request removal.
Cheers,
Peter
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username



On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood 
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. 
It

can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
removed
Peter
- Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username




Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the 
affiliation

variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote:
 Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup?

Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is
a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every
permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Staff lists some 40
accounts with the right - out of 160 staff - mostly of accounts held by
people in LCA.

So the presence of the group is not a usable discriminant.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:

 On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
  Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
  accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?

 I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
 reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.


Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Brandon Harris

It is so that there is (theoretically) no question when we are 
operating as a staff versus operating as volunteers.


On Apr 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
 have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.

---
Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread James Alexander
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
 wrote:

  On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
   Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
   accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
 
  I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
  reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
 
 
 Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
 have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.



Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).

Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
engineering).

Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
they depart the foundation at some point.

James

James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel
Hi James,

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
 it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
 to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
 central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
 we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
 here
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
 rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
 engineering).

Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but 
removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5
Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a google 
doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to the community 
as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if that would be useful.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM, James Alexander
jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
  wrote:
 
   On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
  
   I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
   reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
  
  
  Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers
 to
  have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.



 Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
 account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
 strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
 reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
 ( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
 technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
 lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
 on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).

 Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
 it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
 to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
 central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
 we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
 here

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
 rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
 engineering).

 Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
 strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
 distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
 help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
 they depart the foundation at some point.

 James


Thanks, that makes sense. After I asked I thought about project specific
wikis, meta, wikimediafoundation.org, etc. I do see that any staffer may
need access to one or more of these wikis, and with SUL that accounts get
propagated across all projects anyway.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread James Alexander
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 Hi James,

 On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
  it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is
 now
  to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
  central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
  we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
  here
 
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
  rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
  engineering).

 Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but
 removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5
 Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a
 google doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to
 the community as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if
 that would be useful.

 Thanks,
 Mike


Nemo was nice enough to add it to the the user groups page on meta so that
it's linked from there as well.

Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
(for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on
what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
some additional discussion and thinking.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:35, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
 spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
 were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
 (for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on
 what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
 was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
 did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
 vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
 significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
 duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
 significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
 some additional discussion and thinking.

OK, fair enough. It would be nice to see the entire process take place 
transparently on meta, if possible.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:

 On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to
 the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?

 - DGarry (WMF)
 - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
 - David (MIT)
 - ...

 So the signup form would look like this:

  -
 | |
 | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
 | |
 | Username:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password 2: |
 |  ___|
 | Email (optional):   |
 |  ___|
 | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
 |  ___|
 | |
  -

 I.e.

  -
 | |
 | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]|
 | |
 | Username:   |
 |  _Gryllida__|
 | Password:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password 2: |
 |  ___|
 | Email (optional):   |
 |  ___|
 | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
 |  _FOO___|
 | |
  -

 Gryllida.


 On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
  hi,
 
  could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
  1. it should knows groups
  2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
  3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving
  4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of
 interest
  5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
 history
  views
  6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
  history views
  7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
 page,
 or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
 
  reason:
  currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
  quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
 prominent
  examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
  to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the
 main
  reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
  * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
  for other users
  * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
 
  this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the
 german
  community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
  system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
  applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
  continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts.
 
  what you think?
 
  best regards,
  rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Amir, this is the first time that one's been brought up.  I'll chat with
OIT about potentially changing moving forward.

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
 It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
 doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
 בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:

  On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to
  the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in
 braces?
 
  - DGarry (WMF)
  - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
  - David (MIT)
  - ...
 
  So the signup form would look like this:
 
   -
  | |
  | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
  | |
  | Username:   |
  |  ___|
  | Password:   |
  |  ___|
  | Password 2: |
  |  ___|
  | Email (optional):   |
  |  ___|
  | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
  |  ___|
  | |
   -
 
  I.e.
 
   -
  | |
  | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]|
  | |
  | Username:   |
  |  _Gryllida__|
  | Password:   |
  |  ___|
  | Password 2: |
  |  ___|
  | Email (optional):   |
  |  ___|
  | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
  |  _FOO___|
  | |
   -
 
  Gryllida.
 
 
  On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
   hi,
  
   could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
   1. it should knows groups
   2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their
 profile
   3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving
   4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of
  interest
   5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
  history
   views
   6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
   history views
   7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
  page,
  or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
  
   reason:
   currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it
 is
   quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
  prominent
   examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users
 tend
   to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the
  main
   reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
   * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal
 archive
   for other users
   * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
  
   this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the
  german
   community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
   system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still
 be
   applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
   continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts.
  
   what you think?
  
   best regards,
   rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:

Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.


Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for 
disambiguations.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Liangent
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:

  Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with
 parentheses.
 It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
 doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.


 Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
 disambiguations.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick


Then Gary, WMF?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Isarra Yos

On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote:

On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:


Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:

  Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with

parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.


Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
disambiguations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick


Then Gary, WMF?



Nemo


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Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
be the norm.


-I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Chris McKenna

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote:


Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
be the norm.




That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope 
with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both 
exist.


Chris


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[Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-19 Thread Gryllida
On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to the 
signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?

- DGarry (WMF)
- Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
- David (MIT)
- ...

So the signup form would look like this:

 -
| |
| [ Username preview in large green font ]|
| |
| Username:   |
|  ___|
| Password:   |
|  ___|
| Password 2: |
|  ___|
| Email (optional):   |
|  ___|
| Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
|  ___|
| |
 -

I.e.

 -
| |
| [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]|
| |
| Username:   |
|  _Gryllida__|
| Password:   |
|  ___|
| Password 2: |
|  ___|
| Email (optional):   |
|  ___|
| Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
|  _FOO___|
| |
 -

Gryllida.


On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
 hi,
 
 could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
 1. it should knows groups
 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving
 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest
 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history
 views
 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
 history views
 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page,
or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
 
 reason:
 currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
 quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent
 examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
 to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main
 reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
 * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
 for other users
 * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
 
 this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german
 community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
 system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
 applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
 continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts.
 
 what you think?
 
 best regards,
 rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-19 Thread Risker
I hear where you're coming from, Gryllida.  This only works if there is
some mechanism by which the affiliation can be confirmed.  The (WMF)
affiliation is easily confirmed, and in fact anyone adding that affiliation
to their account name who isn't a WMF staffer gets blocked pretty quickly.

However, there's no easy mechanism to verify an affiliation external to the
WMF family.  I understand our colleagues at the German Wikipedia have a
process for verifying authorized accounts for specific entities, but their
community considers them role accounts and restricts them in particular
ways.  Other projects, including English Wikipedia, have essentially
banned role accounts.  What would happen if David (MIT) accepts a
position at Stanford? Does he have to change his username to David
(Stanford) - oh, that won't work since the original edits would be related
to MIT...so he'd have to start a new account David (Stanford), and somehow
link them.  What issues would arise if the user doesn't want to change
usernames once he's no longer affiliated with an organization?

I admit I'm partial to what German Wikipedia is doing with role accounts
for organizations, but given the harshness toward commerce accounts on
some other projects, I'm not sure it would work universally.

Best,

Risker/Anne


On 19 April 2014 19:17, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 On a second thought, do we want to add an optional affiliation field to
 the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?

 - DGarry (WMF)
 - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
 - David (MIT)
 - ...

 So the signup form would look like this:

  -
 | |
 | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
 | |
 | Username:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password 2: |
 |  ___|
 | Email (optional):   |
 |  ___|
 | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
 |  ___|
 | |
  -

 I.e.

  -
 | |
 | [ Gryllida (FOO) in large green font ]|
 | |
 | Username:   |
 |  _Gryllida__|
 | Password:   |
 |  ___|
 | Password 2: |
 |  ___|
 | Email (optional):   |
 |  ___|
 | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
 |  _FOO___|
 | |
  -

 Gryllida.


 On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
  hi,
 
  could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
  1. it should knows groups
  2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
  3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving
  4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of
 interest
  5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
 history
  views
  6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
  history views
  7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
 page,
 or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
 
  reason:
  currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
  quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
 prominent
  examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
  to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the
 main
  reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
  * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
  for other users
  * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
 
  this then would allow the