Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-19 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Thanks. I have discovered some estimations of lakes for more countries, but
no datasets.

Belarus: 11,000+
Canada: 31,752+ larger than 3 km² (2-3 million in total)
Estonia: 1,000+
Finland: 187,888 lakes 500 m² or larger (56,000 over 10,000 m²)
Latvia: 3,000+
Lithuania: 3,000+
Norway: 450,000+


2013/5/17 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 Sorry not, and what we have learned is how hard is to to define what a
 lake is

 In Swden some mention there are 200 000 lakes, and that the Hydrology
 authority has data of over 150 000  but where less then 75 000 has a name
 and many with just rudimentary data. The lakes with environment impact data
 are 7 233 and in this project data with 100 dataitems per lake are
 collected from three authorities,  and articles are generated into sv:wp
 for 57 648 (not 30 000) lakes. Only around a few percent of these are
 without name and the most common name is used by 645 unique lakes... (just
 to take care of the forkpages is a science in its own)

 Anders



 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada skrev 2013-05-17 18:06:

 Very cool project. Do you know how many lakes are there in other European
 countries (or website/datasets)?

 It is for this
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Emijrp/All_human_**knowledge#Lakeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Lakes

 2013/5/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

  A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
 (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
 on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
 data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register
 and
 track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take
 care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with
 the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

 Examples
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp:**
 //sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%**96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
 
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn


 Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
 know the name (and for the ones missing name)
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~**para/**https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
 cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
 253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%
 2525B6pings_kommunhttps://**maps.google.com/maps?q=http://**
 toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/**kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%**
 26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%**2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%**
 2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_**kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 
 or
 http://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
 2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
 3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
 2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhtt**
 p://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=**http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%**
 2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%**2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%**
 26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%**2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%**
 2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_**kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 


 As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
 thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

 We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
 Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
 generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
 extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

 We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
 happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other
 authorites
 who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
 generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
 excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

 Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
 further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

 Anders



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-17 Thread Nikola Smolenski

On 16/05/13 23:18, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 16 May 2013 18:36, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote:

All lakes (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now
produced based on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake
environment data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to
register and track all data of lakes in all Europe.

The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)


Are these all on OpenStreetMap, too?


We will know when people start filling in 
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P402


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-17 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Very cool project. Do you know how many lakes are there in other European
countries (or website/datasets)?

It is for this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Lakes

2013/5/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
 (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
 on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
 data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register and
 track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

 Examples
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%**C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn

 Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
 know the name (and for the ones missing name)
 https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
 cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%**3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
 253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%**2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%**2525B6pings_kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 or
 http://www.bing.com/maps/?**mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
 2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%**2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
 3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%**3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
 2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%**2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun

 As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
 thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

 We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
 Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
 generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
 extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

 We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
 happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other authorites
 who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
 generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
 excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

 Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
 further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

 Anders



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-17 Thread Anders Wennersten
Sorry not, and what we have learned is how hard is to to define what a 
lake is


In Swden some mention there are 200 000 lakes, and that the Hydrology 
authority has data of over 150 000  but where less then 75 000 has a 
name and many with just rudimentary data. The lakes with environment 
impact data are 7 233 and in this project data with 100 dataitems per 
lake are collected from three authorities,  and articles are generated 
into sv:wp for 57 648 (not 30 000) lakes. Only around a few percent of 
these are without name and the most common name is used by 645 unique 
lakes... (just to take care of the forkpages is a science in its own)


Anders



Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada skrev 2013-05-17 18:06:

Very cool project. Do you know how many lakes are there in other European
countries (or website/datasets)?

It is for this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Lakes

2013/5/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se


A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
(3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register and
track all data of lakes in all Europe.

The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

Examples
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%**C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn

Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
know the name (and for the ones missing name)
https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%**3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%**2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%**2525B6pings_kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
or
http://www.bing.com/maps/?**mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%**2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%**3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%**2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun

As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other authorites
who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

Anders



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[Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes 
(3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced 
based on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake 
environment data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order 
to register and track all data of lakes in all Europe.


The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take 
care of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all 
with the same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)


Examples
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn

Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do 
not know the name (and for the ones missing name)

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
or
http://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun

As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even 
thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.


We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in 
Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to 
generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database 
extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs


We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really 
happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other 
authorites who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases 
used to generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all 
archaeological excavations sites, all artworks placed on official 
grounds etc)


Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one 
come further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?


Anders



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-16 Thread Andrea Zanni
In Italian Wikipedia,
we are in contact with the National Library of Florence, and are
establishing links between
Wikipedia articles and the New national Thesaurus.

Es. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q281108
In the Italian WP, we will have a sentence like
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido#Collegamenti_esterni

The bot on Wikidata is running right now,
the bot in Wikipedia will run in the weekend.

Aubrey



On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se
 wrote:

 A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
 (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
 on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
 data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register and
 track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

 Examples
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%**C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn

 Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
 know the name (and for the ones missing name)
 https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
 cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%**3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
 253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%**2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%**2525B6pings_kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 or
 http://www.bing.com/maps/?**mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
 2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%**2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
 3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%**3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
 2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%**2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun

 As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
 thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

 We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
 Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
 generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
 extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

 We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
 happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other authorites
 who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
 generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
 excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

 Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
 further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

 Anders



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 16 May 2013 18:36, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote:
 All lakes (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now
 produced based on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake
 environment data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to
 register and track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

Are these all on OpenStreetMap, too?

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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