Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-10-15 Thread Magnus Manske
Hah! Of course, I pick the same day to rewrite WikiShootMe...

https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:
  An answer would be appreciated...

 I know you've been in touch w/ the mobile web team since this thread,
 but just to close the loop for the record: Nearby (now
 re-implemented in native code and with a new UI) is part of today's
 stable release of the Android app.

 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-October/008144.html

 Please join the mobile list for feedback, questions  suggestions.

 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-10-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 An answer would be appreciated...

I know you've been in touch w/ the mobile web team since this thread,
but just to close the loop for the record: Nearby (now
re-implemented in native code and with a new UI) is part of today's
stable release of the Android app.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-October/008144.html

Please join the mobile list for feedback, questions  suggestions.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-08-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
An answer would be appreciated...
On Jul 12, 2014 1:38 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
  a complete re-write in native code

 This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was
 updated.

  In determining the feature set, the team
  looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
  first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
  beta.

 I didn't participate in this round of the beta, because there was no
 suggestion in anything that I read that significant - significantly
 useful - existing functionality would be removed. (Indeed, the removal
 wasn't mentioned when the revamped app was announced by your WMF
 colleagues.) I did tough, spend some time testing the nearby feature
 in v1's beta

  And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
 
 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements

 I can't find the string near on that page.

  The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
  party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
  privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
  OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
  further developing such geo-functionality.

 Is this a blocker for the return of the nearby feature to the app?


 In splitting this thread and describing it as off topic, you've
 overlooked that my comments were in the context of - and in response
 to - your comment about change-aversion [tending] to correlate pretty
 strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to
 user experience and behaviour.

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 @pigsonthewing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-12 Thread Magnus Manske
Until then...

http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:

 On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
  a complete re-write in native code

 This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was
 updated.

  In determining the feature set, the team
  looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
  first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
  beta.

 I didn't participate in this round of the beta, because there was no
 suggestion in anything that I read that significant - significantly
 useful - existing functionality would be removed. (Indeed, the removal
 wasn't mentioned when the revamped app was announced by your WMF
 colleagues.) I did tough, spend some time testing the nearby feature
 in v1's beta

  And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
 
 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements

 I can't find the string near on that page.

  The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
  party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
  privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
  OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
  further developing such geo-functionality.

 Is this a blocker for the return of the nearby feature to the app?


 In splitting this thread and describing it as off topic, you've
 overlooked that my comments were in the context of - and in response
 to - your comment about change-aversion [tending] to correlate pretty
 strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to
 user experience and behaviour.

 --
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 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Magnus - another great tool, thanks! I just noticed that somewhere someone
made an article for something just down the street from me. I guess I
should go take a picture of it now!
Jane


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 Until then...

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/


 On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:

  On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
   a complete re-write in native code
 
  This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was
  updated.
 
   In determining the feature set, the team
   looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
   first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
   beta.
 
  I didn't participate in this round of the beta, because there was no
  suggestion in anything that I read that significant - significantly
  useful - existing functionality would be removed. (Indeed, the removal
  wasn't mentioned when the revamped app was announced by your WMF
  colleagues.) I did tough, spend some time testing the nearby feature
  in v1's beta
 
   And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
  
 
 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements
 
  I can't find the string near on that page.
 
   The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
   party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
   privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
   OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
   further developing such geo-functionality.
 
  Is this a blocker for the return of the nearby feature to the app?
 
 
  In splitting this thread and describing it as off topic, you've
  overlooked that my comments were in the context of - and in response
  to - your comment about change-aversion [tending] to correlate pretty
  strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to
  user experience and behaviour.
 
  --
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  @pigsonthewing
  http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-12 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2014-07-12 13:44 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
 Until then...

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/


 That would be great if there will by filtering by category. So it
could be used to find nearby articles about monument without pictures
- great tool for Wiki Loves Monuments..



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[Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andy Mabbett
a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to
 the unexpected removal of the very useful 'nearby' feature from the
 Android app [1].

(...)

 [1] Promoted by the WMF at the time of its launch:
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/29/wikipedia-nearby-beta/ and widely
 reported in the press.

Apologies for the thread-split, but this is OT from the original thread.

This blog post actually referred to the Mobile Web, where the feature
continues to be available (without a map view):
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby

The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
a complete re-write in native code -- one which by all accounts has
been extremely well received. In determining the feature set, the team
looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
beta.

We are in the lucky position to now have a team of three full-time
developers working on the app to make it continually better. You can
see the most recent code changes here:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/apps/android,n,z

And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements

So you can expect a pretty fast pace of change.

The team prioritized features that were highly requested and popular
among users. The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
further developing such geo-functionality.

CCing Dan (PM for Apps) in case he wants to weigh in on the roadmap.

Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step
backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia content.

In February 2012, I initiated discussions that resulted in both the mobile
site and the Android app clearly stating in the footer that the content was
written by volunteers like you, with a link to the page history, and
thereby, the user accounts of all users.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34673
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35616

While a mere link to the desktop site's history screen was considered
sufficient, by the WMF's then-general counsel, to meet the letter of the
law (of the CC BY-SA license), what we discussed in those tickets was how
the WMF could exceed what is legally required, in order to demonstrate to
the world what it looks like to properly attribute the contributors of
content who require attribution as part of their choice to create content
for free.

In those 2012 discussions, WMF staff also acknowledged that there were
benefits to going even further in that direction, by pulling the page
history into the mobile view/app itself.

However, in 2014, both the mobile site and the Android app have footers
that lack any mention of the authors of the article, merely inserting a
link that says: Desktop (on the mobile site, which is still a click away
from history) and Last updated June 29 (on the Android app).

Is the WMF is serious about honoring the copyright licenses Wikipedia's
contributors work under, which require attribution, both technically and in
spirit?

Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andy Mabbett
 a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

  It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to
  the unexpected removal of the very useful 'nearby' feature from the
  Android app [1].

 (...)

  [1] Promoted by the WMF at the time of its launch:
  http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/29/wikipedia-nearby-beta/ and widely
  reported in the press.

 Apologies for the thread-split, but this is OT from the original thread.

 This blog post actually referred to the Mobile Web, where the feature
 continues to be available (without a map view):
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby

 The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
 a complete re-write in native code -- one which by all accounts has
 been extremely well received. In determining the feature set, the team
 looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
 first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
 beta.

 We are in the lucky position to now have a team of three full-time
 developers working on the app to make it continually better. You can
 see the most recent code changes here:
 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/apps/android,n,z

 And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:

 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements

 So you can expect a pretty fast pace of change.

 The team prioritized features that were highly requested and popular
 among users. The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
 party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
 privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
 OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
 further developing such geo-functionality.

 CCing Dan (PM for Apps) in case he wants to weigh in on the roadmap.

 Erik
 --
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 VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step
 backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia content.

 In February 2012, I initiated discussions that resulted in both the mobile
 site and the Android app clearly stating in the footer that the content was
 written by volunteers like you, with a link to the page history, and
 thereby, the user accounts of all users.
 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34673
 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35616

 While a mere link to the desktop site's history screen was considered
 sufficient, by the WMF's then-general counsel, to meet the letter of the
 law (of the CC BY-SA license), what we discussed in those tickets was how
 the WMF could exceed what is legally required, in order to demonstrate to
 the world what it looks like to properly attribute the contributors of
 content who require attribution as part of their choice to create content
 for free.

 In those 2012 discussions, WMF staff also acknowledged that there were
 benefits to going even further in that direction, by pulling the page
 history into the mobile view/app itself.

 However, in 2014, both the mobile site and the Android app have footers
 that lack any mention of the authors of the article, merely inserting a
 link that says: Desktop (on the mobile site, which is still a click away
 from history) and Last updated June 29 (on the Android app).


Pete, before making such strong public statements condemning our products,
it might help to use them :) Both the new native apps and the mobile web
site offer a mobile-friendly page history (like this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth). On the apps
it's accessible from the footer, and on the web view the link is given an
extremely prominent place in the UI, at the top of all articles (the Last
edited by.. line).

I'd recommend you follow the WMF blog to stay abreast of our work on this
and other mobile features, since we wrote about this back in May:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/02/the-wikipedia-editors-behind-the-curtain/



 Is the WMF is serious about honoring the copyright licenses Wikipedia's
 contributors work under, which require attribution, both technically and in
 spirit?

 Pete
 [[User:Peteforsyth]]


 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andy Mabbett
  a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
   It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to
   the unexpected removal of the very useful 'nearby' feature from the
   Android app [1].
 
  (...)
 
   [1] Promoted by the WMF at the time of its launch:
   http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/29/wikipedia-nearby-beta/ and widely
   reported in the press.
 
  Apologies for the thread-split, but this is OT from the original thread.
 
  This blog post actually referred to the Mobile Web, where the feature
  continues to be available (without a map view):
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby
 
  The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
  a complete re-write in native code -- one which by all accounts has
  been extremely well received. In determining the feature set, the team
  looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
  first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
  beta.
 
  We are in the lucky position to now have a team of three full-time
  developers working on the app to make it continually better. You can
  see the most recent code changes here:
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/apps/android,n,z
 
  And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
 
 
 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements
 
  So you can expect a pretty fast pace of change.
 
  The team prioritized features that were highly requested and popular
  among users. The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
  party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
  privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
  OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
  further developing such geo-functionality.
 
  CCing Dan (PM for Apps) in case he wants to weigh in on the roadmap.
 
  Erik
  --
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  VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step
  backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia content.
 Pete, before making such strong public statements condemning our products,
 it might help to use them


I'm using the most recent Mobile Web via Chrome on a recent version of
Android, and the most recent version of the Android app in the Google Play
app store.

Perhaps there are newer versions of both somewhere in a pipeline somewhere,
that address these concerns. I hope so. I don't think I did anything wrong,
though, to be ignorant that the stuff currently being talked about is not
yet live.

And even if that is the case, it is disheartening to know that this lapsed
between 2012 and 2014 without any notifications to those of us who
participated in the Bugzilla tickets. Maybe that's past stuff not worth
dredging up, but it doesn't exactly make me feel like my contributions or
my time were valued. The impression is that my concerns were managed, not
incorporated.

Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
To your specific points:

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 (like this one:
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth).


Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a
contributor's User Page, where they might state things like their name, and
what they like to work on? I went through about 4 clicks and gave up.


 On the apps
 it's accessible from the footer, and on the web view the link is given an
 extremely prominent place in the UI, at the top of all articles (the Last
 edited by.. line).


IMO Last edited by does not indicate that there will be a list of all
contributors. Did you do any user testing to see if people make that
association? It sounds like a stretch, but I'd be interested to see
relevant data.

-Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 To your specific points:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  (like this one:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth).


 Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a
 contributor's User Page, where they might state things like their name, and
 what they like to work on? I went through about 4 clicks and gave up.


Two clicks from the mobile history page. Click on a diff, and then the
userpage is linked in bright blue in the bottom left. Underneath that link
is the user's total number of live edits, and you can thank a user for the
edit with a button on the right.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:




 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 To your specific points:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  (like this one:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth).


 Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a
 contributor's User Page, where they might state things like their name,
 and
 what they like to work on? I went through about 4 clicks and gave up.


 Two clicks from the mobile history page. Click on a diff, and then the
 userpage is linked in bright blue in the bottom left. Underneath that link
 is the user's total number of live edits, and you can thank a user for the
 edit with a button on the right.



My apologies, I misread you Pete.

It's three clicks to talk to the user, four to get to the user page.


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Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Product
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
 a complete re-write in native code

This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was updated.

 In determining the feature set, the team
 looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
 first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
 beta.

I didn't participate in this round of the beta, because there was no
suggestion in anything that I read that significant - significantly
useful - existing functionality would be removed. (Indeed, the removal
wasn't mentioned when the revamped app was announced by your WMF
colleagues.) I did, though, spend some time testing the nearby
feature in v1's beta - and demonstrating it when promoting the app to
audiences outside the Wikipedia community.


In splitting this thread and describing it as off topic, you've
overlooked that my comments were in the context of - and in response
to - your comment about change-aversion [tending] to correlate pretty
strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to
user experience and behaviour.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's
 a complete re-write in native code

This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was updated.

 In determining the feature set, the team
 looked at core functionality they really wanted to deliver in the
 first release, and iterated on that based on user feedback during the
 beta.

I didn't participate in this round of the beta, because there was no
suggestion in anything that I read that significant - significantly
useful - existing functionality would be removed. (Indeed, the removal
wasn't mentioned when the revamped app was announced by your WMF
colleagues.) I did tough, spend some time testing the nearby feature
in v1's beta

 And a more understandable view of the current sprint in Trello:
 https://trello.com/b/5DhKhjmW/mobile-app-sprint-35-article-usability-enhancements

I can't find the string near on that page.

 The nearby feature in the old app also relied on third
 party infrastructure, which makes us a bit uncomfortable from a user
 privacy and principles perspective. Our plan is to build out our own
 OpenStreetMap infrastructure later this year which will help in
 further developing such geo-functionality.

Is this a blocker for the return of the nearby feature to the app?


In splitting this thread and describing it as off topic, you've
overlooked that my comments were in the context of - and in response
to - your comment about change-aversion [tending] to correlate pretty
strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to
user experience and behaviour.

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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