Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-04-05 Thread Lila Tretikov
All, As Tim mentioned we are seriously looking at privacy/identity/security/anonymity issues, specifically as it pertains to IP address exposure -- both from legal and technical standpoint. This won't happen overnight as we need to get people to work on this and there are a lot of asks, but this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-04-03 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi Brian, 2015-03-30 0:25 GMT+02:00 Brian reflect...@gmail.com: Although the initial goal of the Netflix Prize was to design a collaborative filtering algorithm, it became notorious when the data was used to de-anonymize Netflix users. Researchers proved that given just a user's movie ratings

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-31 Thread Tim Starling
On 30/03/15 09:25, Brian wrote: I suspect this challenge will be very easy for anyone who is determined. Indeed, even if MediaWiki no longer displayed IP addresses, there would still be enough information to identify people. Completely getting rid of the edit history would largely solve the

[Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Brian
I'm sure many of you recall the Netflix Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize. This is that, for Wikipedia! Although the initial goal of the Netflix Prize was to design a collaborative filtering algorithm, it became notorious when the data was used to de-anonymize Netflix users.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Katherine Casey
Publicly identifying anonymous Wikimedians, especially with reference to their editing histories, is not just an academic way to make a point; it's messing with people's real lives, and it's not something I'm particularly comfortable seeing suggested, especially for a reward, on a wikimedia-hosted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Nathan
I'm hoping this is satire, but if it isn't, I think anyone paying others to out Wikimedians should minimally be barred from further participation in the movement. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Symonds
I worry that encouraging people to do this to prove a political point could be inappropriate. It's one thing to point out a potential privacy flaw, but paying people to exploit it may be seen as a step too far. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread David Gerard
Context: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2015-March/thread.html Brian believes that Wikimedia recording non-logged-in editors' IPs is *literally* the same as the NSA hoovering up all data they can get anywhere. On 30 March 2015 at 18:13, Katherine Casey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
I agree with the others who have opined that this should not happen. Newyorkbrad On 3/29/15, Brian reflect...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure many of you recall the Netflix Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize. This is that, for Wikipedia! Although the initial goal of the Netflix Prize

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Moreover this may well be a breach of policy, TOS and even law. On 31 March 2015 at 01:15, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: So, let me get this right: 1. You announced that, as David puts it, noting anonymous IPs is the same as all-the-NSA-stuff-ever; 2. People disputed it, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread geni
On 31 March 2015 at 03:15, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Moreover this may well be a breach of policy, TOS and even law. Eh probably not. Go through a bunch of wikipedia bios of not very notable people. Find the edits obviously made by the subject of the article. Note IPs.