Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
the problem is all projects use a different format :)
Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
format... at least on the input side.
Lodewijk
2014-08-04 3:43 GMT+02:00 Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:
Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make
such request for all...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Lodewijk:
Yes indeed. The citation/footnote coding format for different language
editions of Wikipedia is not the same, not to mention the other Wikimedia
projects.
I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle?
I have been hoping that one day all books (at least those with ISBNs) could
have a Wikidata entry. This would mean that all of the bibliographic
metadata published as CC0 by a variety of national libraries could be
imported and we would have a tremendously useful catalogue of published
works. Presubamly then, each Wikipedia could rely on this database for
footnotes to specific books (each with its own presentation format if it
wants) - rather than having to manually enter each book's bibliographic
information every time you want to cite it on a new Wikipedia article...
This would be similar to the way Commons is a central repository for Media
files, Wikidata could be a central repository of footnote information. Does
this make (logical and technological) sense? Is this feasible, or
completely out of scope for Wikidata?
Andy:
Thanks for pointing out the way Trove provides a citation tool for easy
use on (English) Wikipedia articles. For those who've not seen it, here's a
random example - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1038049 click the
cite link near the top-left corner. I asked them to incorporate this into
the Trove system in 2009 in association with the GLAM-WIKI conference in
Canberra. Over the years this has proved to be hugely beneficial to Trove
(a service of the National Library of Australia), and has generated
thousands of deep-links to their catalogue
http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/websites/16/
These links made Wikipedia their number one non-search-engine provider of
inbound traffic [I was employed at the NLA until recently].
-Liam / Wittylama
On 4 August 2014 09:18, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
the problem is all projects use a different format :)
Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
format... at least on the input side.
Lodewijk
2014-08-04 3:43 GMT+02:00 Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:
Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make
such request for all...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 04/08/2014, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: ... I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle? I have been hoping that one day all books (at least those with ISBNs) could have a Wikidata entry. This would mean that all of the bibliographic There is no point in duplicating other free databases which are already excellent. http://worldcat.org (by OCLC) has a free to use API, I've played around with it a little, and it can be integrated in with any tool. As well as all ISBNs, this includes OCLC numbers (duh) and other interesting bits and bobs like LCCN numbers that the Library of Congress uses. Yonks ago I wrote a greasemonkey script to scrape WorldCat entries which I used to insert or tidy up complex references in Wikipedia articles (this was before I hounded to death and resigned as an admin). The current editing interface on the English Wikipedia has the cite tool which effectively does the same thing if you put in the ISBN, so I have never been motivated to promote my script or repackage it as a user script. If someone wants to look at a copy during the hackerthon, I'll pass it on, though I'd recommend reading the WorldCat API documentation instead. http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/web-services/worldcat-search-api.en.html Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 4 August 2014 08:18, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
the problem is all projects use a different format :)
Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
format... at least on the input side.
I believe such is being discussed, as part of the wider conversation
around using Wikidata as a repository for citations.
But that is months if not years away, and we could in the meantime
have, if we can secure Google's cooperation as proposed, a quick
solution for the majority of cases in a few days or weeks.
A hack-y work-around, if one is needed, would be for non-english sites
to aheva template called {{cite journal}}, and have that always
subst: into a ,coal template, as en.WP currently does with for
example, various de.WP infobox templates .
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 4 August 2014 11:15, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle? I have a brain-dump about how this might work, in my user pace at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Citations_-_the_future For me, one of the exciting things about this is being able to quickly and confidently see every article in which an author is cited (see mockup, linked form that page), or in which a specific work is cited. Thanks for pointing out the way Trove provides a citation tool for easy use on (English) Wikipedia articles. I asked them to incorporate this into the Trove system in 2009 I supposed you might have had a hand in it. Nice work! I imagine you would have had less success had you asked for a different template for each language; the same would apply with Google. Over the years this has proved to be hugely beneficial to Trove (a service of the National Library of Australia), and has generated thousands of deep-links to their catalogue That's a great selling point! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 4 August 2014 11:43, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: The current editing interface on the English Wikipedia has the cite tool which effectively does the same thing if you put in the ISBN I find that often rimes out, sadly. (It works well with Google books URLs, though.) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Hmm, maybe another option is to accept BibTeX format on our side, possibly
via a Lua module?
-Liangent
On Aug 4, 2014 1:15 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Possibly relevant as an alternative solution to the problem:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid
I suspect that Google would be reluctant to add a Wikimedia citation
format, because there is no one Wikimedia citation format. (Happy to be
corrected on that if I'm wrong, though.)
Luis
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm, maybe another option is to accept BibTeX format on our side, possibly
via a Lua module?
-Liangent
On Aug 4, 2014 1:15 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
--
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@pigsonthewing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 3 August 2014 19:01, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I suspect that Google would be reluctant to add a Wikimedia citation format Trove, the Australian National Library's newspaper archive, are happy to do so. because there is no one Wikimedia citation format. (Happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong, though.) There isn't, hence I suggested the most suitable for scholarly citations in English. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 3 August 2014 19:01, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I suspect that Google would be reluctant to add a Wikimedia citation format Trove, the Australian National Library's newspaper archive, are happy to do so. Presumably those materials are all in English, unlike Scholar (and Wikipedia!) because there is no one Wikimedia citation format. (Happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong, though.) There isn't, hence I suggested the most suitable for scholarly citations in English. Both Google and Wikimedia claim to be global, multi-lingual solutions. So both we and Google should be aiming higher. But of course take my perspective with a grain of salt - I've always found it crazy that there is not a standardized citation format across the projects, so I may be putting words in Google's mouth. Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Google Scholar seem to do very well on the Citoid tests: http://zotero-translator-tests.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/testTranslators.html#date=2014-07-30browser=cversion=4.0.SOURCE.9219100 Just make sure to get that thing running and we will have a more robust solution to ask potential source sites to adjust their metadata to. *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* Bli medlem. http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se 2014-08-03 21:44 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 3 August 2014 19:01, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: I suspect that Google would be reluctant to add a Wikimedia citation format Trove, the Australian National Library's newspaper archive, are happy to do so. Presumably those materials are all in English, unlike Scholar (and Wikipedia!) because there is no one Wikimedia citation format. (Happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong, though.) There isn't, hence I suggested the most suitable for scholarly citations in English. Both Google and Wikimedia claim to be global, multi-lingual solutions. So both we and Google should be aiming higher. But of course take my perspective with a grain of salt - I've always found it crazy that there is not a standardized citation format across the projects, so I may be putting words in Google's mouth. Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
On 3 August 2014 20:44, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: because there is no one Wikimedia citation format. (Happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong, though.) There isn't, hence I suggested the most suitable for scholarly citations in English. Both Google and Wikimedia claim to be global, multi-lingual solutions. So both we and Google should be aiming higher. I didn't say I didn't aim higher - but it's also pragmatic to start with quick wins, which will help a majority of people, most of the time. Despite being a monoglot, I spend a good deal of time supporting non-English projects, and multi-lingual editors; and cross-project collaboration. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar
Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make such
request for all...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
format included?
For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
is probably most appropriate.
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