Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
The issue with Commons is actually not whether Wikipedia uses the picture or not. The issue is the validity of description. If an image depicts A and the description says it is B, then the data on Commons are obviously invalid, and this would be the analog of false info at Wikidata sources to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When a database is linked to, there are many reasons for linking. One is it is "authoritative" so the data is of a high quality or it is the standard bearer in a particular field. Another reason is because there is a clear operational purpose. Linking to the Open Library for instance has such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
pedia at the discretion of users of that specific > Wikipedia, like images from Commons. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread
ikipedia, like images from Commons. >> > Cheers, >> > Peter >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On >> > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen >> > Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, Related to this is the issue of photographers on Commons: *Should contributors have a Creator template, and then a WD entry? *Should Flickr photographers have a Creator template, and then a WD entry? See discussion at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Jane Darnell
t; > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > > Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy > > > > Hoi, > > There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP poli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
dia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy > > Hoi, > There is a lot to do about the current absence of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Peter Southwood
Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy Hoi, There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata. Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
The winners of Dutch literature awards are IMHO fine for wikidata. I mean, what is the problem, that they are LP? Would be any difference form the relevance point of view, if they were asteroids or hamlets or small lakes or skerries on a nautical map? Some of them will get a page one day on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-26 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
Personally, I think that if person has an ID on some databases, than it can stay on wikidata. Once in a while some database can be removed if issues are pointed out about their accuracy, but if a database is sound and professional, we should use it to fix an item. it could be the same for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-26 Thread Gnangarra
I wonder why a BLP policy wont work on Wikidata, as WD is individual facts that require a source as well, it may not be the same wording as en but the key principles are the same... No project should be scared of policy that stipulates accuracy and sourcing for living people On 17 September 2017

[Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata. Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist on one and a policy that is a mirror image of their policy. I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the best practices in