[Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Seb35
Hello, I would like to speak on this list about the basic income. For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of the amount, one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 10:59, Seb35 a écrit : For a TL;DR about the concept, the idea of an (unconditionnal) basic income is to give each citizen of a country a sum of money in order to fullfill their basic needs: lodging, eat, be healthy. To give an idea of the amount, one hears often 800-1000 € in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Deamer
Interesting! As a member of the Green Party this is something I've read a little bit about, but it's mostly spoken of in the context of its effects on the welfare state. The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to open source and collaborative projects, and so

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2014-01-09 Thread
​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? ​ -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

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2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit : ​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*. This is an income, not at wage. Definition

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2014-01-09 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for people to edit Wikipedia is still paid editing? The answer is no, because the basic income is *unconditional*.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
In Switzerland the national referendum has not approved it. There was the idea to have a minimum guaranteed salary for all citizens and the 1:12 (a manager could not receive a salary which is more than 12 times than that of an employee of the same company) but both of them have not been approved

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2014-01-09 Thread
Thanks. I don't see how this relates to Wikimedia projects, by definition it is not. On 9 January 2014 12:40, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org wrote: Le 09/01/2014 13:36, Fæ a écrit : ​The WMF has recently clarified that they frown upon paid editing. Presumably offering basic wage for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Seb35
If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible activities. ~S Le Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:55:39 +0100, Fæ

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2014-01-09 Thread
On 9 January 2014 13:13, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I know this initiative and it is also requested by M5S in Italy. The problem is connected with the funds to finance this initiative. The base is that a minimum income (and not guaranteed minimum salary) is considered as a good way to assure also the reactivation of the internal market, but no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: If a basic income is implemented somewhere in the world, people will have more time for themselves in mean (probably more partial-time work), so they will have more time to edit the Wikimedia projects, among other possible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Seb35, 09/01/2014 10:59: As a Wikipmedian, I dream of such a basic income: it would empower the people to edit the Wikimedia projects by giving them libre time (libre as free speech). [...] There are many political and economical variations of the proposal, but this is usually *not* the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Risker
I'd suggest that income is not a particularly significant factor in whether or not people participate in the Wikimedia movement, particularly as editors. Infrastructure including internet access, education, and availability of technology are far more significant. These are all abundantly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Mark
On 1/9/14, 6:05 AM, Jonathan Deamer wrote: The idea that it might increase the level of cognitive surplus available to open source and collaborative projects, and so these projects might have a political interest in encouraging a basic income, is quite novel to me. This is something I've been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: A basic income would remove the need for such accounting overhead, since one could just focus on how to best contribute to society, without having to worry about how to monetize and own every contribution. But absent such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Balázs Viczián
I like such proposals (sarcasm). where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute? In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) ) - less people working - higher taxes - people will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Fajro
I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic. Please discuss this in a more appropriate place (talk pages or /r/basicincome in reddit, etc). -- Fajro ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 09/01/2014 20:50, Balázs Viczián a écrit : I like such proposals (sarcasm). where do you get the money from, what you wish to distribute? In general free money - less people will work (why to work if I still get money? - see the masses living on unemployment benefits - libre time :) )

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Basic income Wikimedians

2014-01-09 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: I also support the BI idea but this is too off-topic. Yes, please, people. We have raised awareness just fine, let's not discuss it here. thanks, Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list