Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: In short: I think people like Max and Roger, who make public declarations about their identities and conflicts of interest, are not the ones who scare me. We can always find those people and start a conversation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:39:52 -0600 (MDT), Fred Bauder wrote: Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning Promoting of Gibraltar, and warring over it, is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: In the past, those conversations were short, and ended in a permaban (cf. Jimbo's past statements about blocking anyone offering commercial editing, cf. Kohs). Today, the people concerned are chapter trustees and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: In the past, those conversations were short, and ended in a permaban (cf. Jimbo's past statements about blocking anyone offering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Steven, We know people have been beating a door to Roger's path ever since Monmouthpedia; ... or even a path to Roger's door :)) (Sorry, tired.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: We know people have been beating a door to Roger's path ever since Monmouthpedia; there have been enquiries from all over the world from towns wanting to be the next Monmouth. Correction: to *everyone's* door. Really, anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide which town goes forward, and whichever town goes forward pays him a consultancy fee. This, OTOH, is spurious made-up bullshit. Look, David, if a dozen towns express an interest in his services, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide which town goes forward, and whichever town goes forward pays him a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 19 September 2012 12:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 15:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? Internet-famous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Nathan
The concerns over Bamkin's involvement in WM-UK and GibraltarpediA seem a little overwrought, but the situation isn't helped by his minimalist approach to public communication - prompted perhaps in part by the accusatory, judgmental tone of his UK questioners. Still, it's too bad he's not more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I believe part of the problem is that Roger may not be in the UK - he may well be in a hotel in Gibraltar with limited and expensive internet access. It's not yet been 48 hours since this all broke - give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 15:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging

[Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread Kim Bruning
Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hmmm, should I stop reading at Wikimedia Foundation UK? -- Amir 2012/9/18 Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl: Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread George Herbert
I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. -george On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Spotted this in my news feed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread Fred Bauder
Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning http://untrikiwiki.com/ Max Klein's wiki editing business His blog response:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-18 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know anything about this case, but it does seem that paid advocacy is increasing, and although the community seems opposed to it as a whole, that message isn't getting through to individual editors. It's becoming