Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-28 Thread James Salsman
> categories and lists related to ethnicity, religious views, and sexual > orientation are often created and/or filled by POV pushers who usually do > not care much about sourcing. On top of this, the inclusion criteria, > especially for categories, are often not defined Absolutely correct,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-28 Thread James Salsman
It's also important to point out that Wikidata can be used to semi-automatically replace the wikipedias' manual category trees: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Classes It looks like some of the Wikidata

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi David, >It occurs to me: Has anyone gone through the cat and made sure every >instance is cited to best BLP standards? no, likely not (nobody has gone through the cat). In my experience, categories and lists related to ethnicity, religious views, and sexual orientation are often created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread David Gerard
I'm not 100% comfortable with the approach of doing it because we legally can - we do a lot of stuff because it's the right thing, not just because we're legally obliged to. The concern is a real one and worth giving serious consideration. (As I noted in my email about the GDPR, we do a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread Todd Allen
"Privacy" is often censorship by another name. Seems so here too. Of course, if the information is not sourced, or is not well sourced, it can and should be removed as a potential BLP issue. But if it is sourced, we're not making anything available to the public that wasn't already publicly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 10:41 AM, sashi wrote: > The fact that -- today on en.wp -- these religious categories are being > overwhelmingly applied to Jews (and to a lesser degree to Freemasons) is > certainly striking. (cf. the 862 members of Category:French Jews & the 21

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread sashi
Hello again, Thanks for your input on this question!  I'll add a few clarifications here to respond to points raised in the discussion so far.  (As I'm subscribed in digest mode, I'll have to cut & paste.) --- Nathan commented:  "I'm not seeing an argument here for why Wikimedia should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread L3X1 en
Todd is correct, en.wiki and the WMF operate out of the US and are not subject to other nation’s laws regarding content for the most part. Also, all entries should be blue-linked, else they must be in compliance with LISTN and V. For the rest, a inline citation is not required. Lexi > On May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread James Salsman
Nathan, the Enwiki organic category system is not very good. For example, there are no consistent ontological constraints placed on the entire ontological tree (which should not be surprising because the Library of Congress Card Number system, the Dewey decimal system, the SIC ontology, and even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Nathan
I'm not seeing an argument here for why Wikimedia should adhere to this law, if it is correctly stated by the OP. If France passed a law banning Internet-published photos of living people, how would we approach that law? If Germany barred publishing the place of birth, date of birth or religious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Whereas I absolutely agree with Todd, let me note that in the list many entries are unsourced or poorly sourced and can not be there according to the policies. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > We should no more follow French censorship

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Todd Allen
We should no more follow French censorship laws than we should follow Turkish ones. All editors are responsible for compliance with the laws in their jurisdiction. Todd On Fri, May 25, 2018, 12:53 PM sashi wrote: > Hello, > > I am writing to ask if there are any plans to

[Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread sashi
Hello, I am writing to ask if there are any plans to render the English Wikipedia compliant with French privacy laws.  Currently, if a French high school student goes to a French library, reserves a computer, and types "List of French Jews" into Google, Duckduckgo, or Dogpile, an adhoc