Re: [Wikimedia-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

[Alex Stinson]

Hey Yaroslav and Asaf,

From the SDC team perspective, I think it would definitely be preferable
for such a tool to include/anticipate the need for structured data on
Commons, or default to filling in Depicts and/or other structure data
fields. Building more tools which generate categories by default would
definitely be a bit counter-productive (and hard on multilingual
contributors). One option, might be designing such a tool to work with
Artworks and other unique objects (like photographs) already on Wikidata,
and then have it prepared to hook up with the  Wikibase/Structured data
features that will go live on Commons in the fall.

Cheers,

Alex



On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Absolutely; I wanted to know if such a tool perhaps already exists.  If one
> does not, then definitely, if we develop a tool, it should look to the
> future and be based on Structured Data on Commons already!
>
>A.
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:
>
> > I think it is pretty similar to what we have built in Wikidata, Do
> > Structured Commons folks want to comment?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Asaf Bartov 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, folks.
> > >
> > > It occurs to me there are tens or hundreds of thousands of images
> donated
> > > en masse (GLAM etc.) that are only categorized as "image from X
> > collection"
> > > or "Files donated by X", i.e. essentially uncategorized by content.
> > >
> > > This obviously greatly reduces the likelihood of discoverability and
> > > re-use.  But it's hard to find such files, and the massive categories
> > > (thousands of files, often) don't make organizing the work easy.
> > >
> > > I'm think of a gamified interface -- à la Wikidata Game -- that would
> > let a
> > > volunteer (after OAuth identification) pick a category (from a pre-fed
> > list
> > > of massive categories of donated files) and show one photo from the
> > > category that has only that category listed (i.e. has no categorization
> > by
> > > content), and let the volunteer type (with auto-complete, like HotCat)
> > some
> > > appropriate categories and hit Save, and the categories would be added,
> > and
> > > the next file shown.
> > >
> > > (Optionally, a second layer of verification could be added, where
> > > volunteers would [also] be invited to vet or change previous
> volunteers'
> > > categorization, and actual change to categories on Commons would only
> > take
> > > place after 2 (or N) users approved the categories.  I'm not at all
> sure
> > > this is needed, and I think we can start without it and see how it
> goes.)
> > >
> > > So, does something like this exist?  If not, who wants to build it? :)
> > >
> > >A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

[Asaf Bartov]

Absolutely; I wanted to know if such a tool perhaps already exists.  If one
does not, then definitely, if we develop a tool, it should look to the
future and be based on Structured Data on Commons already!

   A.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:54 PM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> I think it is pretty similar to what we have built in Wikidata, Do
> Structured Commons folks want to comment?
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > Hi, folks.
> >
> > It occurs to me there are tens or hundreds of thousands of images donated
> > en masse (GLAM etc.) that are only categorized as "image from X
> collection"
> > or "Files donated by X", i.e. essentially uncategorized by content.
> >
> > This obviously greatly reduces the likelihood of discoverability and
> > re-use.  But it's hard to find such files, and the massive categories
> > (thousands of files, often) don't make organizing the work easy.
> >
> > I'm think of a gamified interface -- à la Wikidata Game -- that would
> let a
> > volunteer (after OAuth identification) pick a category (from a pre-fed
> list
> > of massive categories of donated files) and show one photo from the
> > category that has only that category listed (i.e. has no categorization
> by
> > content), and let the volunteer type (with auto-complete, like HotCat)
> some
> > appropriate categories and hit Save, and the categories would be added,
> and
> > the next file shown.
> >
> > (Optionally, a second layer of verification could be added, where
> > volunteers would [also] be invited to vet or change previous volunteers'
> > categorization, and actual change to categories on Commons would only
> take
> > place after 2 (or N) users approved the categories.  I'm not at all sure
> > this is needed, and I think we can start without it and see how it goes.)
> >
> > So, does something like this exist?  If not, who wants to build it? :)
> >
> >A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

[Yaroslav Blanter]

I think it is pretty similar to what we have built in Wikidata, Do
Structured Commons folks want to comment?

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Hi, folks.
>
> It occurs to me there are tens or hundreds of thousands of images donated
> en masse (GLAM etc.) that are only categorized as "image from X collection"
> or "Files donated by X", i.e. essentially uncategorized by content.
>
> This obviously greatly reduces the likelihood of discoverability and
> re-use.  But it's hard to find such files, and the massive categories
> (thousands of files, often) don't make organizing the work easy.
>
> I'm think of a gamified interface -- à la Wikidata Game -- that would let a
> volunteer (after OAuth identification) pick a category (from a pre-fed list
> of massive categories of donated files) and show one photo from the
> category that has only that category listed (i.e. has no categorization by
> content), and let the volunteer type (with auto-complete, like HotCat) some
> appropriate categories and hit Save, and the categories would be added, and
> the next file shown.
>
> (Optionally, a second layer of verification could be added, where
> volunteers would [also] be invited to vet or change previous volunteers'
> categorization, and actual change to categories on Commons would only take
> place after 2 (or N) users approved the categories.  I'm not at all sure
> this is needed, and I think we can start without it and see how it goes.)
>
> So, does something like this exist?  If not, who wants to build it? :)
>
>A.
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[Wikimedia-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

[Asaf Bartov]

Hi, folks.

It occurs to me there are tens or hundreds of thousands of images donated
en masse (GLAM etc.) that are only categorized as "image from X collection"
or "Files donated by X", i.e. essentially uncategorized by content.

This obviously greatly reduces the likelihood of discoverability and
re-use.  But it's hard to find such files, and the massive categories
(thousands of files, often) don't make organizing the work easy.

I'm think of a gamified interface -- à la Wikidata Game -- that would let a
volunteer (after OAuth identification) pick a category (from a pre-fed list
of massive categories of donated files) and show one photo from the
category that has only that category listed (i.e. has no categorization by
content), and let the volunteer type (with auto-complete, like HotCat) some
appropriate categories and hit Save, and the categories would be added, and
the next file shown.

(Optionally, a second layer of verification could be added, where
volunteers would [also] be invited to vet or change previous volunteers'
categorization, and actual change to categories on Commons would only take
place after 2 (or N) users approved the categories.  I'm not at all sure
this is needed, and I think we can start without it and see how it goes.)

So, does something like this exist?  If not, who wants to build it? :)

   A.
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