Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Hi, 2014-06-11 17:55 GMT+05:30 Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net: Michael, I assume it is Ray Saintonge of Wikimedia Canada (User:Eclecticology) Yes, that's him. Yann Regards, Charles (User:Chuq) Wikimedia Australia On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Hi Yann This is a really useful resource. Who is looking after it now, and how is it being funded? I don’t know who ‘Ray’ is. Michael On 8 Jun 2014, at 17:43, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-08 21:56 GMT+05:30 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com: Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? I already started that in 2005. It is called Wikilivres: http://wikilivres.ca/ In 2010, I could not continue to manage it and pay for the bill, and I looked for volunteers to take over. To my surprise, I found nearly noone willing to do that. Finally Ray accepted to take charge. I am quite sure, he would welcome help to manage it. Regards, Yann ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Michael, I assume it is Ray Saintonge of Wikimedia Canada (User:Eclecticology) Regards, Charles (User:Chuq) Wikimedia Australia On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Hi Yann This is a really useful resource. Who is looking after it now, and how is it being funded? I don’t know who ‘Ray’ is. Michael On 8 Jun 2014, at 17:43, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2014-06-08 21:56 GMT+05:30 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com: Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? I already started that in 2005. It is called Wikilivres: http://wikilivres.ca/ In 2010, I could not continue to manage it and pay for the bill, and I looked for volunteers to take over. To my surprise, I found nearly noone willing to do that. Finally Ray accepted to take charge. I am quite sure, he would welcome help to manage it. Regards, Yann ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Hi Yann This is a really useful resource. Who is looking after it now, and how is it being funded? I don’t know who ‘Ray’ is. Michael On 8 Jun 2014, at 17:43, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2014-06-08 21:56 GMT+05:30 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com: Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? I already started that in 2005. It is called Wikilivres: http://wikilivres.ca/ In 2010, I could not continue to manage it and pay for the bill, and I looked for volunteers to take over. To my surprise, I found nearly noone willing to do that. Finally Ray accepted to take charge. I am quite sure, he would welcome help to manage it. Regards, Yann ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. Thanks Matanya Moses ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Hi Matanya I'm sure there are others with more expertise than me on this list but a) isn't Commons the place to start this process, and b) have you looked at Michael Maggs' proposal (see email copied below from April) to relax the scope of the precautionary principle? That, and the discussion there, might be a good start. Best Simon -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Maggs Sent: 09 April 2014 18:44 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list; Wikimedia Mailing List; common...@lists.wikimedia.org; chapt...@wikimedia.ch Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New Commons RFC on changing the Precautionary principle to tackle the URAA problem I have made a proposal to relax the scope of the Commons so-called Precautionary principle to allow the site to host more of the locally public domain files that are being deleted because of the US URAA law, and also to keep more photos that have freedom of panorama in their home country but which might (or might not) be copyright-protected in the US. This proposal comes out of an extremely long and complicated argument about copyright, which you don't necessarily need to get into, but it is an attempt to allow Commons to host more media files while at the same time ensuring that the site remains fully legal under US law. We can legally take a much more nuanced position than 'Definitely Free' or 'Definitely Unfree', which is pretty much what we do at present. Some editors have suggested ignoring US law, which the WMF simply cannot allow to happen, and this is an attempt to allow us to keep more non-US Public Domain material while still remaining on the right side of US law. Put simply, do you agree that Commons should aim to host more files that are public domain in their home country even if they *might* still be copyright-protected in the US? Please contribute here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Review_of_Precautionary_principle Michael ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of matanya Sent: 08 June 2014 12:21 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. Thanks Matanya Moses ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. Thanks Matanya Moses Hi Matanya, From your history on Commons, I am sure you know as well as I, where to make a proposal on the project and that this list is not a good place to start an educational/lobbying campaign. Michael Maggs' proposal in this area seems to have got stuck in quicksand and dried up. To be honest, as an experienced Commons contributor, I would tend to avoid helping with yet another URAA based proposal/bun fight, unless there was a groundswell of opinion in favour of change; it just is not a good investment of volunteer time. Despite your recent comments on Commons, I don't see it happening. In the long term, if you want to shift this reluctant elephant, I suggest you concentrate on specific project areas (like early Japanese public domain film posters...) and build those up into an excellent case book. Nobody has even tried building their case book up using the differing PD licence interpretation on the English Wikipedia yet. This at least would have the advantage that anyone could see exciting educational images that were not on Commons but could see (and use) images on Wikipedia, and this might motivate them to review and have an opinion on this contentious area of how we interpret and apply international copyright law. Please remember that 95%+ of Commons contributors are not going to bother even attempting to understand the URAA, DMCA etc. Keeping it simple and easy to understand in a multilingual environment is essential. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. No it it won't. UK restored a bunch of copyrights when EU went life+70 It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. If the government held the copyright then you contact them and ask them about their position on potential overseas copyrights. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. The main problem that you hit is that free in source country and in US is a pretty good proxy for free pretty much anywhere (well unless the source country is the US but that's a separate problem). For example depending on how you read Saudi law there are a bunch of photos that are free in Saudi Arabia and pretty much nowhere else (Switzerland perhaps) but unless our resuser know their way around over 100 copyright systems they probably aren't going to know that. Thus from a reuse POV commons goes from being useful (as long as you allow for US weirdness) to being (from a copyright perspective) a radioactive mess. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
BTW, why we have separate policies for Commons and Wikipedia? I just noticed that photographs deleted from Common per not free in source country are restored by our own (Commons) admins in English Wikipedia. Jee On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. No it it won't. UK restored a bunch of copyrights when EU went life+70 It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. If the government held the copyright then you contact them and ask them about their position on potential overseas copyrights. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. The main problem that you hit is that free in source country and in US is a pretty good proxy for free pretty much anywhere (well unless the source country is the US but that's a separate problem). For example depending on how you read Saudi law there are a bunch of photos that are free in Saudi Arabia and pretty much nowhere else (Switzerland perhaps) but unless our resuser know their way around over 100 copyright systems they probably aren't going to know that. Thus from a reuse POV commons goes from being useful (as long as you allow for US weirdness) to being (from a copyright perspective) a radioactive mess. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? Rupert Am 08.06.2014 14:10 schrieb Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com: BTW, why we have separate policies for Commons and Wikipedia? I just noticed that photographs deleted from Common per not free in source country are restored by our own (Commons) admins in English Wikipedia. Jee On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. No it it won't. UK restored a bunch of copyrights when EU went life+70 It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. If the government held the copyright then you contact them and ask them about their position on potential overseas copyrights. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. The main problem that you hit is that free in source country and in US is a pretty good proxy for free pretty much anywhere (well unless the source country is the US but that's a separate problem). For example depending on how you read Saudi law there are a bunch of photos that are free in Saudi Arabia and pretty much nowhere else (Switzerland perhaps) but unless our resuser know their way around over 100 copyright systems they probably aren't going to know that. Thus from a reuse POV commons goes from being useful (as long as you allow for US weirdness) to being (from a copyright perspective) a radioactive mess. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Wikimedia_Server_Location_and_Free_Knowledge -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of rupert THURNER Sent: 08 June 2014 17:27 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? Rupert Am 08.06.2014 14:10 schrieb Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com: BTW, why we have separate policies for Commons and Wikipedia? I just noticed that photographs deleted from Common per not free in source country are restored by our own (Commons) admins in English Wikipedia. Jee On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. No it it won't. UK restored a bunch of copyrights when EU went life+70 It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. If the government held the copyright then you contact them and ask them about their position on potential overseas copyrights. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. The main problem that you hit is that free in source country and in US is a pretty good proxy for free pretty much anywhere (well unless the source country is the US but that's a separate problem). For example depending on how you read Saudi law there are a bunch of photos that are free in Saudi Arabia and pretty much nowhere else (Switzerland perhaps) but unless our resuser know their way around over 100 copyright systems they probably aren't going to know that. Thus from a reuse POV commons goes from being useful (as long as you allow for US weirdness) to being (from a copyright perspective) a radioactive mess. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Hi, 2014-06-08 21:56 GMT+05:30 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com: Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? I already started that in 2005. It is called Wikilivres: http://wikilivres.ca/ In 2010, I could not continue to manage it and pay for the bill, and I looked for volunteers to take over. To my surprise, I found nearly noone willing to do that. Finally Ray accepted to take charge. I am quite sure, he would welcome help to manage it. Regards, Yann ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA
Ah, my apologies! Should have given a closer reading S -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of rupert THURNER Sent: 08 June 2014 18:13 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA Simon, this answers a different question. from wikimedia foundation standpoint, domain in its posession, domain registered in the u.s. Am 08.06.2014 18:29 schrieb Simon Knight sjgkni...@gmail.com: See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Wikimedia _Server_Location_and_Free_Knowledge -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of rupert THURNER Sent: 08 June 2014 17:27 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons and OCILLA Would it make sense to deploy a server in another country under a domain not owned by the foundation? E.g. Switzerland? Rupert Am 08.06.2014 14:10 schrieb Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com: BTW, why we have separate policies for Commons and Wikipedia? I just noticed that photographs deleted from Common per not free in source country are restored by our own (Commons) admins in English Wikipedia. Jee On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 12:21, matanya mata...@foss.co.il wrote: Hello, Commons licensing policy determines media should be free in source country and in US. I want to propose We change the policy to be: free in source country only, and to cope with US laws where the servers are hosted found a DMCA take down notice Team in OTRS, that will handle requests to remove Items that are non-free in the US after verifying proper grounds for the claim. This approach to copyright will prevent issues like URAA issues, shorter term issues and restored copyright issues. No it it won't. UK restored a bunch of copyrights when EU went life+70 It will enrich commons with many files that are FREE (mostly PD) in source country, but not on commons due to US laws. Unless the copyright holder (mostly Gov's and archives) will not request removal, and they won't since they released the media, we will be using those files. If the government held the copyright then you contact them and ask them about their position on potential overseas copyrights. I'm not a lawyer, so I probably missed most of the legal implication, But I do volunteer to found and lead the team, if this idea is accepted and commons community would want this policy change. I'm seeking input from copyright experienced users and lawyers, before i start an official policy change on commons. The main problem that you hit is that free in source country and in US is a pretty good proxy for free pretty much anywhere (well unless the source country is the US but that's a separate problem). For example depending on how you read Saudi law there are a bunch of photos that are free in Saudi Arabia and pretty much nowhere else (Switzerland perhaps) but unless our resuser know their way around over 100 copyright systems they probably aren't going to know that. Thus from a reuse POV commons goes from being useful (as long as you allow for US weirdness) to being (from a copyright perspective) a radioactive mess. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscrib e ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki
