On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On the other hand, if probably no one will sue is good enough for
you, then you really don't need to ask the legal question in the first
place.
That is not at all
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
And many others were designed, like the X-ray image, to objectively
depict reality.
_
Yes there are many such images.
These types of images are
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
At this point I'm starting to doubt whether or not Meshwerks even applies.
Heh, I'm reading Meshwerks (which I believe can be easily
distinguished from X-ray images for many reasons, not the least of
which is that it wasn't about
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From: birgitte...@yahoo.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays
On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
Now clearly being able to judge that X is a utilitarian work is the more
normal problem with
On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
I really doubt non-artistic works are copyrighted as a general rule anywhere
I'm not sure what you mean by non-artistic, but if you mean purely
utilitarian, as
On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
I believe artistic/non-artistic is accurate for images. Technically it is
artistic, literary, dramatic,
or musical works.
Well, I think that's an abuse of the term artistic. The job of a
photojournalist, for instance, is to
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
To reword what I said before the vast majority of X-ray images in existence
are diagnostic
images. There is no reason at all to purposefully search out X-rays that
might land in some
grey area.
One problem with that is that the
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
And many others were designed, like the X-ray image, to objectively
depict reality.
In fact, in theory, almost all the images in an encyclopedia should be
of this type (I say almost because there will also be images which
are
On Aug 23, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
To reword what I said before the vast majority of X-ray images in existence
are diagnostic
images. There is no reason at all to purposefully search out X-rays
On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable
Only under a fairly limited number of legal systems.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
I really doubt non-artistic works are copyrighted as a general rule anywhere
I'm not sure what you mean by non-artistic, but if you mean purely
utilitarian, as that term is interpreted by the court, then this is a
good point.
I was
On 22 August 2012 14:14, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable
Only
On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
In most cases ( Covering the significant majority of all x-rays existing, but
not ruling out the possibility of rare uses of X-ray photography as an
artistic medium) . . .
7 None of the above
Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
In the case of the US we can consider the constitutional basis of
copyright To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by
securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive
Right to their respective Writings
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arm.agr.jpg would probably be a
better example.
There's a good chance that wouldn't be considered copyrightable under US law.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arm.agr.jpg would probably be a
better example.
On 22 August 2012 20:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It possibly has a very thin copyright.
Copyright doesn't have thickness. Either it is copyrightable or it isn't.
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Upperarm.jpg
On 21 August 2012 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote:
Utilitarian work = uncopyrightable
Only under a fairly limited number of legal systems.
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A question about copyright, who owns the copyright on Xrays and are they
even copyrightable? I have uploaded a few of them and no one seems to know
the answer. I guess the options would be:
1) They are in the public domain
https://open.umich.edu/wiki/Casebook#Radiograph_.28X-Ray.29 and
2) The X ray tech who took the image
3) The person / institution who paid to have the image taken
a) The HMO or patient if in the USA
b) The government if in many parts of the world
4) The doctor who ordered the image
5) The doctor who read the image
6) The hospital / shareholders of
On 20 August 2012 12:08, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
A question about copyright, who owns the copyright on Xrays and are they
even copyrightable? I have uploaded a few of them and no one seems to know
the answer. I guess the options would be:
Why is it any different to any other work
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the
topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic
that might give real-world pointers?
- d.
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the
topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic
that might give real-world pointers?
It's a question of fact, not a question of
On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the
topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever anywhere on the topic
that might give
2012/8/20 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em on the
topic - but do we have any case law whatsoever
@ Tomasz: Per a) if the picture is taken automatically by machine in
routine way (in case of X-ray, NMR and some other techinques this is
usually atomatic
and routine) - they are not copyrightable, as this is not any creative
work. This is my understanding. X rays are taken in the exact same
way
2012/8/20 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Under US law (I know very little about the law of other countries):
Unless the patient somehow contributed creatively to the image (broke
his bones in a certain creative pattern), it's certainly not the HMO
or patient. If the X-ray tech is an employee,
2012/8/20 Max Harmony m...@sdf.lonestar.org:
2012/8/20 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Under US law (I know very little about the law of other countries):
Unless the patient somehow contributed creatively to the image (broke
his bones in a certain creative pattern), it's certainly not the HMO
or
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:03 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
@ Tomasz: Per a) if the picture is taken automatically by machine in
routine way (in case of X-ray, NMR and some other techinques this is
usually atomatic
and routine) - they are not copyrightable, as this is not any
In the US, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
(HIPAA) governs release of medical information, which includes any medium,
including spoken, written, or electronically stored. This includes videos,
photographs, and x-rays. The only person legally entitled to release this
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
cindam...@gmail.comwrote:
In the US, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
(HIPAA) governs release of medical information, which includes any medium,
including spoken, written, or electronically stored. This
On 20 August 2012 18:27, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote:
In the US, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
(HIPAA) governs release of medical information, which includes any medium,
including spoken, written, or electronically stored. This includes
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 August 2012 12:52, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that collectively we can
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.comwrote:
I'd say, whatever the copyright status, she'd risk her job by
distributing something like X-rays without going through the IRB
system. And if she got IRB permission, asserting PD status or copyleft
status or
My opinion on X-rays. If done in private property, it is subject to
personality rights, and if in a public area, then it can be copyrighted by
the the person who took the X-ray. Ebe123
On 2012-08-20 5:17 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM,
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Thank you.
From: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays
Date
The WMF legal team has said they would provide an opinion on this
question some time next week. The law is ambiguous and I guess the
real question is how much is the foundation willing to put their neck
out.
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On 08/20/12 12:17 PM, geni wrote:
On 20 August 2012 12:52, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 August 2012 12:50, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure that collectively we can bloviate with the best of 'em
On 08/20/12 2:01 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
OK, so the moderation of this mailing list appears to be broken (surely such
emails should at least be held for approval by a moderator?). But please see my
previous email (which I sent after hitting the 'reply' button)…
Thanks,
Mike
It seems like a
Was this long thread launched by an actual on-wiki (or off-wiki)
Wikipedia or other WMF project issue with medical imaging images?
...
Pardon if it would be obvious should I actually check AN or some such,
but I've been busy all weekend and today.
-george
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Ray
On 08/20/12 10:27 AM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson wrote:
In the US, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
(HIPAA) governs release of medical information, which includes any medium,
including spoken, written, or electronically stored. This includes videos,
photographs, and
Hi, all.
I believe Mike was commenting on the fact that his message was bounced back
(because of an email funky) and not the topic itself. In fact, I've been
caught by that exact same filter myself.
Sorry if I've read your message wrong.
Matthew Bowker
User:Matthewrbowker
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