Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gnangarra
​In response to James comment​ > The Wikimedia movement which is a combination of the WMF, chapters and > thorgs, along with the communities represent Wikipedia. ​The Chapters dont represent Wikipedia we support the contributors to Wikipedia and the other projects as well as promote the reuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry that is not how it is under Dutch regulations. Thanks, GerardM On 6 February 2017 at 01:35, James Heilman wrote: > The second part of this IMO is not accurate "The Dutch chapter does not > represent Wikipedia or any of the other projects. It cannot do this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Pine W
Hi James, I'd like to agree with you, but in practice because WMF controls both the trademark agreements and affiliate agreements, in practice WMF has wide latitude in determining who other than them an claim to "represent Wikipedia". There are some good things about this (e.g. we don't want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread James Heilman
The second part of this IMO is not accurate "The Dutch chapter does not represent Wikipedia or any of the other projects. It cannot do this because the Wikimedia Foundation has this exclusive right." The Wikimedia movement which is a combination of the WMF, chapters and thorgs, along with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Gerard, I didn't say that a chapter represent a project or the Foundation. I said it is perceived as a representative of the movement. For example, if the EU asks for opinion of the revision of the copy right law. The answers by the european chapters are perceived as the answer of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Dutch chapter is well respected and it is why I can use it as an example. The Dutch chapter does not represent Wikipedia or any of the other projects. It cannot do this because the Wikimedia Foundation has this exclusive right. So when a chapter is said to represent the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread MZMcBride
Kirill Lokshin wrote: >It's also worth noting, incidentally, that the table on the reports page >only tracks compliance with annual activity and financial reporting >requirements, and not any other requirements that affiliates may be >subject to under their agreements with the WMF. For reference,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Mike, It's certainly not all -- or even most -- of them; as we've mentioned, this affects affiliates that are both non-compliant *and* unwilling or unable to return to compliance. We are, I think, quite forgiving of occasional compliance issues, such as late reports, so long as an affiliate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Michael Peel
Hi Maor/Kirill/AffCom, Which organisations are we talking about here? From the crosses on the reports page on Meta, it looks like it is: - Wikimedia Chile - Wikimedia Hong Kong - Wikimedia India - Wikimedia Macedonia - Wikimedia Macau - Wikimedia Mexico - Wikimedia Philippines - Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Maor Malul
for attending the WMCON. M. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Nathan" <nawr...@gmail.com> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance Date: Sun, Fe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Nathan, To expand a bit on Maor's reply: the Affiliations Committee and the Wikimedia Foundation continue to view affiliate de-recognition as a last resort for cases where an affiliate is not only in violation of affiliate requirements or agreements with the WMF, but is also unwilling or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I fail to see who you are targeting and on what basis. My impression is > that it only has to do with money.. I understand this. For other parts like > the language committee there are no reports except

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Maor Malul
Hi Nathan, The AffCom and the WMF have been in touch for many months with groups that are not-compliant in different areas, especially their activities [or lack of them]. So, a group that has been inactive for a long period of time has been contacted in regards to this. Some of these groups

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Gerard, the chapters and thematic organizations are entrusted with certain functions and authorities. For example a chapter enjoys regional (or country wide) exclusivity in their operating region. They are perceived in the public as if they are official representatives of our movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is in this same list. Thanks, GerardM On 5 February 2017 at 10:39, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Gerard, > > I don't believe that the Language Committee is an affiliated organization - > so I'm not sure why affiliate requirements would apply. Or did I miss >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Gerard, I don't believe that the Language Committee is an affiliated organization - so I'm not sure why affiliate requirements would apply. Or did I miss something there? Lodewijk 2017-02-05 10:22 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > I fail to see who you are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I fail to see who you are targeting and on what basis. My impression is that it only has to do with money.. I understand this. For other parts like the language committee there are no reports except for the activity on its mailing list. I fail to see why it has to report to anyone. It is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-04 Thread Nathan
It looks like there are many chapters and orgs at risk of being denied a renewal. I'm curious about how you decided who to label non-compliant and who you did not. I notice that WM Armenia appears to have had no reports or activity (other than 2015 wrap up information) in 2016. Are they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-04 Thread Joseph Fox
It looks like the page Maor refers to near the end there is this one: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports Joe On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 at 15:06 Maor Malul wrote: > Dear all, > > Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, > or user group - is a

[Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-04 Thread Maor Malul
Dear all, Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, or user group - is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards