Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Steinsplitter, if you're interested in reviving this, please have the intellectual honesty of running the RfC again and publicizing it widely. As others already pointed out, the context of that RfC is nothing like today. Not only Media Viewer itself changed a lot, with many fixes based on direct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

On Mar 14, 2016 23:47, "Fæ" wrote: > > On 14 March 2016 at 22:12, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > > On 16-03-14 05:01 PM, Vi to wrote: > >> Ignoring a wide community > >> consensus is *always* a mistake. > > > > It is. I never advocated otherwise. > > > > That old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

On 14 March 2016 at 22:12, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 16-03-14 05:01 PM, Vi to wrote: >> Ignoring a wide community >> consensus is *always* a mistake. > > It is. I never advocated otherwise. > > That old RfC, however, does not show a wide community consensus, let > alone a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

In case anybody believes Wikimedia Foundation personnel have entirely forgotten this issue, please be assured that is not the case. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119595 Speaking for myself, I'm not convinced that taking action on a two year old RFC at Commons is the most pressing component

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Oh I missed dates, this is a good point then. Ignoring a wide community consensus is *always* a mistake. Final decisions might even diverge from consensus but *ignoring* is the worst way. Vito 2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel : > That's a good point. I've started a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

That's a good point. I've started a discussion on Commons' VP about this at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#2014_RfC_for_the_Media_Viewer Thanks, Mike > On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:03, Anthony Cole wrote: > > That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

I won't take a position on this particular issue, since I rarely visit Commons, but "Ignore all rules" should categorically not be taken as "Ignore consensus" or "Ignore other editors". That way lies madness. On Mar 14, 2016 2:11 PM, "Philippe Beaudette" wrote: > Consensus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Consensus can and should be ignored when it is detrimental to improving the end product. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ignore_all_rules is an applicable cite, I think. It's even categorized as global. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Vi to wrote: > Same with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV. I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well, consensus cannot be ignored. Vito 2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media viewer. Anthony Cole On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote: > > the non-participation of > > non-participants can't render all decisions invalid. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

While this might be a valid request, I'm a bit concern about the % of the participants in the RFC. I don't think it's a good idea for this % of participant to make a binding decision for an entirely disjoint community many hundred if not thousand times it size with neither participation nor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 16-03-14 10:33 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote: > > Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid. > > Then the policy is broken. It seems more than a little insane to me > that an opinion poll having had participation of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Per commons Policy's the RFC is valid. > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > From: m...@uberbox.org > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:28:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and > logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons > > On 16-03-14 10:24 AM,

[Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

To whom it may concern, Pursuant to consensus at Commons:Requests for comment/Media Viewer software feature the Media Viewer must be switches off for logged in users and logged out users. The current status is that the feature has been only disabled for logged in user. This tool is not needed