Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I think there are two clear policies here: 1. The forkability of the projects 2. The "niceness" of suppliers. The first is a movement and project principle. The second is - loosely - connected to a broader movement. It is philosophically and morally dubious to coerce people to conform to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-22 2:04 AM, James Salsman wrote: Are the FreeBSD-based pfSense C2758 series in the Foundation's throughput tier? [...] That looks like decent mid-range gear, but definitely not the the hardware-supported levels needed to support operations. What are the current Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that a Google and Facebook are working on networking equipment and are making both hardware and associated freely available, it makes more sense to concentrate on this high end solution. A solution that fits with the need of WMF. Thanks, GerardM PS I am not so interested that I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 22/03/2016 07:04, James Salsman a écrit : > >> >... as far as I know, high-end networking hardware is not >> > available with Libre OSes > Are the FreeBSD-based pfSense C2758 series in the Foundation's throughput > tier? > > https://www.pfsense.org/products/product-family.html#c2758 > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread James Salsman
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: >... as far as I know, high-end networking hardware is not > available with Libre OSes Are the FreeBSD-based pfSense C2758 series in the Foundation's throughput tier? https://www.pfsense.org/products/product-family.html#c2758

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread Tilman Bayer
See also: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles#Freedom_and_open_source https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FLOSS-Exchange On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 2016-03-21 6:15 PM, James Salsman wrote: >> >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-21 6:15 PM, James Salsman wrote: Is there a list of equipment that WMF uses without viable FLOSS alternatives, please? The switches and routers for one; as far as I know, high-end networking hardware is not available with Libre OSes, nor would the supplier support one flashed with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 3/22/16 12:15 AM, James Salsman wrote: > Is there a list of equipment that WMF uses without viable FLOSS > alternatives, please? Since the context here is t-shirts, I think we can understand Coren's remarks in a very broad context, and so of course he's right. We might choose to only do

[Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread James Salsman
Marc *Pelletier / Coren* wrote: > I don't think it's reasonable to expect that every external supplier > is all-FLOSS. For one, the movement would be pretty much stuck > without hardware, networking gear, and power at the very least. Is there a list of equipment that WMF uses without viable