Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-19 Thread John Erling Blad
Training sets already contain images from Commons, so yes, I believe the implications should be considered. On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:46 PM Newyorkbrad wrote: > > This whole subject raises interesting and important legal and ethical > issues, but are there any direct implications at this time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-19 Thread John Erling Blad
From my background in neural networks, and my understanding of how they work, I would say that your trained network is a derived work if the weights are learned from a specific training sample. If it does not learn from a specific sample it is not a derived work from that sample. It is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-19 Thread Newyorkbrad
This whole subject raises interesting and important legal and ethical issues, but are there any direct implications at this time for Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects? Newyorkbrad/IBM On Sunday, January 19, 2020, Ryan Merkley wrote: > I don't believe it implies that. As with many things legal,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-19 Thread Ryan Merkley
I don't believe it implies that. As with many things legal, the answer re: derivatives is likely "it depends". R. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:30 PM Benjamin Ikuta wrote: > > > Thanks for that. > > Pardon me if I've missed something, but that seems to imply, but not > directly state, that AI

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Thanks for that. Pardon me if I've missed something, but that seems to imply, but not directly state, that AI training is a derivative work; could you clarify that? On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Ryan Merkley wrote: > [My comments are my own, and don’t reflect or suggest any official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:55 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > People on another forum says portraits are personal data and use of > them is a breach of Art. 6 GDPR Lawfulness of processing. This creates > a problem in most European countries. This is a breach of privacy > laws, and not a copyright

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
People on another forum says portraits are personal data and use of them is a breach of Art. 6 GDPR Lawfulness of processing. This creates a problem in most European countries. This is a breach of privacy laws, and not a copyright issue.[1] Not sure how to interpret the local copyright law on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Ryan Merkley
[My comments are my own, and don’t reflect or suggest any official position from WMF] The NBC story linked below come out about a year ago. Around the same time, when I was CEO at Creative Commons, we published a statement and updated FAQs that attempted to respond to questions being asked

[Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
There are several reports of face recognition going mainstream, often in less than optimum circumstances, and often violating copyright and licenses https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/technology/clearview-privacy-facial-recognition.html