Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Andrew Gray, 11/01/2013 10:34:

* moving their positioning (eg, to beside the header text, as is done on
fr.wp


This has been known to be needed for years, but it waiting for some coding.
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2012-November/000215.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-11 Thread James Forrester
On 11 January 2013 02:12, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
 Andrew Gray, 11/01/2013 10:34:

 * moving their positioning (eg, to beside the header text, as is done on
 fr.wp

 This has been known to be needed for years, but it waiting for some coding.
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2012-November/000215.html

See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41729 which Ori
just assigned to himself yesterday.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-10 Thread Jérémie Roquet
Hi everyone,

2013/1/9 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
 I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
 past, but they appear to be regular now.

On the French Wikipedia, It has been bold, white on blue, then green,
then we removed everything in 2009¹.

 How effective was it? I don't know.

That's the whole problem, we didn't know either: if it had any impact,
it wasn't obvious. What was sure, however, is that is wasn't pretty :)

Best regards,

¹ 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Sondage/Retrait_de_la_couleur_du_bouton_%C2%AB_Modifier_%C2%BB

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-10 Thread Mono
On vi.wikipedai.org the non mainspaces are green - maybe just a tab like
that?



On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Jérémie Roquet arkano...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 2013/1/9 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
  I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
  past, but they appear to be regular now.

 On the French Wikipedia, It has been bold, white on blue, then green,
 then we removed everything in 2009¹.

  How effective was it? I don't know.

 That's the whole problem, we didn't know either: if it had any impact,
 it wasn't obvious. What was sure, however, is that is wasn't pretty :)

 Best regards,

 ¹
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Sondage/Retrait_de_la_couleur_du_bouton_%C2%AB_Modifier_%C2%BB

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-10 Thread Bence Damokos
The correct link is vi.wikipedia.org

This vi.wikipedAI.org domain should be checked out by Legal at WMF,
though...

Best regards,
Bence


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote:

 On vi.wikipedai.org the non mainspaces are green - maybe just a tab like
 that?



 On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Jérémie Roquet arkano...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi everyone,
 
  2013/1/9 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:
   I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
   past, but they appear to be regular now.
 
  On the French Wikipedia, It has been bold, white on blue, then green,
  then we removed everything in 2009¹.
 
   How effective was it? I don't know.
 
  That's the whole problem, we didn't know either: if it had any impact,
  it wasn't obvious. What was sure, however, is that is wasn't pretty :)
 
  Best regards,
 
  ¹
 
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Sondage/Retrait_de_la_couleur_du_bouton_%C2%AB_Modifier_%C2%BB
 
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[Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Jan Kučera
Hi there,

everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
special color (maybe red) like this:

http://postimage.org/image/u7060y3bf/

Kozuch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Nevell
Given that our editors will always be a fraction of our readership, we want
to provide a pleasant reading experience and I don't think a red edit
button (at least in the manner proposed) would help with that. Something
more discrete such as bolding the word edit may serve to place more
emphasis on it.

Richard Nevell

On 9 January 2013 18:43, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,

 everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
 reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
 special color (maybe red) like this:

 http://postimage.org/image/u7060y3bf/

 Kozuch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
 Hi there,

 everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
 reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab some
 special color (maybe red) like this:

Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.

The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).

I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
past, but they appear to be regular now.

How effective was it? I don't know.

Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any language.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Mono
I'm sorry, but that is rather ugly. However, a new Wikipedia interface
could definitely make the read/edit switcher more prominent or we could
have a echo-style popup.


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
  Hi there,
 
  everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
  reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab
 some
  special color (maybe red) like this:

 Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.

 The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
 It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).

 I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
 past, but they appear to be regular now.

 How effective was it? I don't know.

 Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any
 language.

 --
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 http://aharoni.wordpress.com
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 I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Jan Kučera
Yes this was quick (and maybe little ugly) mockup, but the idea is simple.
Someone from E3 team around here for comments?


2013/1/9 Mono monom...@gmail.com

 I'm sorry, but that is rather ugly. However, a new Wikipedia interface
 could definitely make the read/edit switcher more prominent or we could
 have a echo-style popup.


 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Amir E. Aharoni 
 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

  2013/1/9 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com:
   Hi there,
  
   everybody speaks here about editor retention and how we dont know the
   reasons for editing decline. What about highlighting the the edit tab
  some
   special color (maybe red) like this:
 
  Similar things were done in Wikipedias in several languages.
 
  The edit link is bold in Catalan (ca), Basque (eu) and Croatian (hr).
  It is even more emphasized in Low German (nds).
 
  I believe that Polish and French had special designs for it in the
  past, but they appear to be regular now.
 
  How effective was it? I don't know.
 
  Doing an A/B test of this should be quite easy, and can be done in any
  language.
 
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  http://aharoni.wordpress.com
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  I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Roth
Steven's link, without the extra is in it:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experiments

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes this was quick (and maybe little ugly) mockup, but the idea is
 simple.
  Someone from E3 team around here for comments?
 

 Hey, E3 team member here.

 I agree with Sage for sure. The real value of A/B testing this particular
 change or a variation of it, is to help everyone decide what the ideal
 change might be (e.g. red vs bold vs an icon) and what impact each of those
 options have in comparison to each other and/or to a baseline. That way we
 can still make judgement calls with the input of design expertise and even
 consensus, but conversation can form around data, rather than just opinion.

 If anyone wants to write a description of a test like this they want to
 see, then you are always welcome to post it to MediaWiki.org or Meta, and
 get our attention. Being bold and adding it to the list of planned
 experiments
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experimentsis
 a good way to do so. :)

 Even if we may not always have the bandwidth to do these experiments
 ourselves immediately, we are always happy to gather ideas for future work,
 since we regularly have time to run smaller experiments on the side. We can
 also help you set up an experiment and work through the data
 collection/analysis cycle.

 Steven
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-09 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Steven's link, without the extra is in it:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_engagement_experiments


Thanks Matthew. :)
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