Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread Russavia
It could be worse. Internet archive is running their banners at moment. Quote: Internet Archive is a non-profit. We don’t run ads, but still need to pay for servers and staff. If everyone reading this gave $75, we could end our fundraiser right now. For the cost of buying a book, you can make a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am really pleased that we have continuously enough money to do what needs to be done. I am really pleased that the Dutch can deduct their gifts from the tax man. As far as I know (from the moment this was arranged), it is possible to have a European status for the WMF as well. Now that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread K. Peachey
On 6 December 2014 at 20:47, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Whining about effective fundraising is just that.. Please help us with approaches that bring in the additional money to do even more in stead. Thanks, GerardM Oh, I don't know, maybe have smaller ads which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread Anthony Cole
Phoebe, you said, ... in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves (which I personally think is wise, given current trends). Phoebe and Samuel, I would be very concerned if your foundation created an endowment fund to ensure its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread svetlana
Hi all. Not doing propaganda is in the core of Wikimedia mission. I am not hurt by how big the banner is. I am hurt by its bias, bias of two types — lack of neutrality, and bias by lack of detail. I believe that the WMF should make the banner more informative and more neutral (including

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
A slight tangent: I did a quick Google search to try and refresh my memory about the Wikipedia Forever thing, and these were the results: http://imgur.com/7AU8kTp. I think it's more than worrying that many of the results have the fundraising message as a summary. Cheers, Michel On 4 December

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: I think it's more than worrying that many of the results have the fundraising message as a summary. Yep, this is very problematic. Even though the content is JavaScript-generated, Google crawls it unless it's explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Site Admin
Dear Ms. Ayers Thanks for informing you are also a WMF trustee like Sam and you concede that.these controversial banners are in your face. Sam's last email had this remark concerning the poster below:- PS: The poster below is part of a deranged sockfarm, now blocked from en:wp, which has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Austin Hair
Mr. Admin, I fully support both transparency and free speech, and would never suggest that you should be denied the right to ask the questions you're asking. I can, however, object to your use of the mailing list I administer (as a volunteer, in anticipation of your likely response) to ask those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: Hello! Sorry, I didn't realize that's what you were referring to. I haven't looked at all the raw fundraising data, no, and I haven't looked at that set that Lila refers to. (The reports we get are summaries, which is much preferable when you've got a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread phoebe ayers
Hello all, I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too. Anything else I missed? My editorializing is in brackets [ ]. ==communication re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 December 2014 at 17:35, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not asking for the Foundation to stop the banners. I'm not trying to make the fundraising team's life harder. What I want is acknowledgement that there is indeed a problem and that it will be addressed for next fundraiser. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: To others I imagine it reads like those spam emails with Have you seen this article? in the subject line with spoofed email addresses. Thank you for keeping working on this, and not getting pulled into emotion.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks for this, Phoebe. It's a good summary. (And if you could be so kind as to nudge Tilman about the 2012 editor survey data - it's been over two years - and let the Gendergap list know what the gender split was in that survey, it would be much appreciated.) Andreas On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too. This is great. Thank you! Anything else I missed?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Just seen online: http://emptylighthouse.com/wikipedia-asks-users-help-keep-it-ad-free-fundraiser-344432888 ---o0o--- If you've visited *Wikipedia.org* any time today you will have met up with a *plea from the website. In order for the company to stay ad-free they have appealed to their users

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Phoebe - that's a great summary. those unlucky souls who get a/b tested There's a tradeoff here with not storing any cookies. [Also, a couple people online say they still see a banner after donating] current messages are seen as harming image we want all the data, because... Also: We all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Site Admin
Hello WMF We agree with the previous posters RYAN about lack of transparency, and COMPLETE INEFFICIENCY and arrogance in communications by/to/with your communities and volunteers. Please inform and educate why anonymous WMF communities are writing false, concocted and fabricated articles about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Samuel Klein
This is a good thread -- it's important to be unified in our message, proud of it, and aware of how broadly it spreads. Every campaign both raises some funds for the project, gives supporters an opportunity to talk about Wiki*edia with their friends, and shifts public perception of who we are,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Site Admin
Dear Mr. Klein PS: The poster below is part of a deranged sockfarm, now blocked from en:wp, which has started spamming WM mailing lists (see the India list) and is squatting the site http://www.wikimedia.xyz/ . Please do not feed, and moderate as needed. As a WMF Trustee, we suggest that you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Lila Tretikov
I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wording assuming the current word count do so and after you pick top 3-5 we can pilot with one of our next user groups. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 04.12.2014 02:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Charles Gregory
Just for reference, John is correct - our website has been having technical issues lately, which sometimes results in old revisions being made visible. I can confirm that John is not on the board of WMAU:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread MZMcBride
I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you want to donate, make an edit or two. I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same notes of concern. I'd be quite surprised, for example, if Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you want to donate, make an edit or two. I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread phoebe ayers
With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects' public image and financial health and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Lodewijk
I think this discussion and the uproar is only in part because of the wordings used, the size of the banners (which are maybe terrible, and I get exhausted from seeing the banner all year round because I have bad luck to be in so many test groups somehow). A big chunk is about the usual:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Lila, when you say, pilot with one of our next user groups, when would this pilot happen, and whom/how many people would this pilot user group comprise? Best, Andreas On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I recommend those of you who would like to come up with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to all of you, for being concerned about and invested in our projects'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: With Sam, I'd like to add my thanks to Lila, and to the fundraising team which has done an extraordinary job of testing, optimizing, and running our fundraising campaigns. And thanks to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:49 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Personally speaking: I happen to like this year's banners, more than last year's. The boxes and disclaimers are clearer, the text is to the point. And yes, I think the messaging is accurate. This is the text I'm seeing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: You're asking me to prove a negative. My inability to do so has nothing to do with NDAs or the lack of them. There's no secret data that shows that well, the banners make people hate Wikipedia but they have a good donation rate. And if there was, why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Mark
On 12/5/14, 1:07 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: For me, the problem is with the combined impact of the phrase ask our readers to help us, the word survive and the words keep it online and ad-free for another year. Yes, I've found myself in awkward discussions caused by this as well. One person I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread svetlana
Hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 17:35, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: svetlana, 03/12/2014 23:20: It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking to the Fundraising Team. {{citation needed}} Go look at the number of people who tried on fundraiser@,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: You're asking me to prove a negative. My inability to do so has nothing to do with NDAs or the lack of them. There's no secret data that shows that well, the banners make people hate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
phoebe ayers, 04/12/2014 23:20: Given all this context, in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves There is so much to say about this let's milk the cow before it's too old approach that it's definitely out of scope for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes: As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Martijn Hoekstra wrote: Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser as quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep the yearly donation drive as short as possible. Considering the rate at which the Foundation and its Chapters increase and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would help. Why December? Fundraising banners are up all year long. Due to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our banners are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get bigger and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Charles Gregory
I don't think anyone is surprised when the Reg publishes a negative article about Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Someone there seems to have had an axe to grind for years. But in this case, we certainly need to stop giving them the ammo. Regards, Charles On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Note that there is a parallel e-mail campaign, which also seems to have ruffled some feathers. https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/539861727517868032 As shown in the screenshot of that tweet, the sender is Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia, and the wording begins: ---o0o--- Dear name, Thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 12:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Liam Wyatt
Nicely put Martijn. Many a true word is spoken in jest. Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email) as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your work. You should continue to take great personal pride in the crucial role you play to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread rubin.happy
No response yet :( 2014-12-03 16:09 GMT+03:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. The chapters are not relevant here. It is only the WMF who raises funds. With more chapters the public is better served. Now THAT is worth the money we are asking for. Also the fundraising is NOT for Wikipedia. It is for the whole of our movement and for all of our products. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Good points. Many people feel sincere gratitude towards Wikipedia, and its volunteer writers. I would suggest that the fundraising messages could *also* mention that another way people can express their gratitude to Wikipedia would be to become contributors themselves. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread pajz
On 3 December 2014 at 14:09, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email) as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your work. I would suspect that what drives this is indeed the professionalism of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov
Hi all, This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the consequences and we will find flaws. Now for the specifics: Yes -- the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
Lila Tretikov lila@... writes: This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the consequences and we will find flaws. Now for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Lila, Thanks for your response. In the past, fundraising was more of a collaborative effort - maybe it would make sense to rethink the fundraising process after this round, and see how the community can be made co-own the process, so that the work of the team becomes easier, and friction less.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking to the Fundraising Team. Is it time to rename Teams to something else, something that suggests that they don't work in a cave on the Moon? -- svetlana On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 08:32, Lodewijk wrote: Hi Lila,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov
I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :) Below is a soundbite I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I have no doubt that the banners work. But in the opinion of a number of commentators here, the banners currently feature a very alarming wording – making it sound as though there is not enough money to keep Wikipedia online for another year without introducing advertising – and yet we know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. I belong to this category

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 12:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
Lila Tretikov lila@... writes: I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi all. I can see clear interest in everyone on this thread wanting to figure out the right way to do it. Let's not jinx it by painting WMF Fundraising as the guys who break and community as the gwho rage. Both these groups are rather capable of working things out (unlike the ...who break and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
I wrote: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their rage instead of communicating it early I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for accumulating their rage instead of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
svetlana svetlana@... writes: I wrote: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their rage instead of communicating it early I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Ryan Lane, The whole of your post suggests that the fundraising folks are deaf. Your last sentence doesn't make you more to the point. This makes you really unapproachable and puts the fundraising folks into harder position as they have to cry, beg pardon and spend time apologizing -- as if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride
svetlana wrote: The whole of your post suggests that the fundraising folks are deaf. Your last sentence doesn't make you more to the point. This makes you really unapproachable and puts the fundraising folks into harder position as they have to cry, beg pardon and spend time apologizing -- as if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
svetlana, 03/12/2014 23:20: It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking to the Fundraising Team. {{citation needed}} Go look at the number of people who tried on fundraiser@, m:Talk:Fundraising* and fundraising@ (well, this one you can't; it was shut down

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Charles Gregory
Just as an aside - tweets about the fundraiser don't appear to be the best source for informed commentary: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtimeq=wikipedia%20donationssrc=typd Examples: Wikipedia is begging for $3 donations? That screams 'Hey, we're in a little trouble over here'. Silly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Lila - thank you for this thoughtful update. Fundraising trends and data are always welcome, particularly where communities can help improve and test local messages. I am also deeply thankful for the smooth work of the fundraising team, who have made great progress over the last few years – in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Megan Hernandez
Hi all, As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign, and where we are on our goals this year to-date. Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread geni
On 2 December 2014 at 06:53, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. And how exactly would you describe this then? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oversized_donation_notice.png -- geni ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Risker
On 2 December 2014 at 20:27, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 06:53, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. And how exactly would you describe this then? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oversized_donation_notice.png

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* geni wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 06:53, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. And how exactly would you describe this then? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oversized_donation_notice.png I got something like that on my mobile phone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-02 Thread Ryan Lane
Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes: As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign, and where we are on our goals this year to-date. Starting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread David Gerard
Wikipedia begging for donations per usual. Advertising isn't evil they say as they throw a second nag at me as I scroll down. https://twitter.com/enemyplayer/status/539180814739988481 Obnoxious banners *really do damage the brand*. What are the fundraiser metrics? If they don't include effect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread MZMcBride
Ori Livneh wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: The banners may be effective, but they're not aligned with Wikimedia's values. I wouldn't come out quite as strongly against these banners, but I share the underlying sentiment. What happened to we make the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread Lila Tretikov
All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. I know you want more insight into the trends: we will provide some of those in our upcoming reports and metrics and we will plan to shift to a quarterly cadence of a more specific metrics report that will include fundraising. Just to cover some basic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks Lila, most enlightening. And as always when it comes to WMFs fundraising efforts, most impressive work being done! And metrics in the new quarterly report will be much appreciated. Anders Lila Tretikov skrev den 2014-12-02 07:53: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. I know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-29 Thread Ori Livneh
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: The banners may be effective, but they're not aligned with Wikimedia's values. I wouldn't come out quite as strongly against these banners, but I share the underlying sentiment. I agree that the urgency and alarm of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-28 Thread Craig Franklin
I'm going to second Liam's comment here, it is disappointing that we're discussing this here but the Foundation is not coming to the party and explaining why they are doing these things. They're creating an information void, and a void *will* be filled somehow; if the WMF is not proactive in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-28 Thread Megan Hernandez
Hi everyone, Sending an update to let you know that we've heard your concerns and to thank you for your feedback. We're working on some new banners including a version without the overlay to try out based on feedback you've shared. Our banners are always a work in progress, they will continue to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-28 Thread MZMcBride
Megan Hernandez wrote: Sending an update to let you know that we've heard your concerns and to thank you for your feedback. We're working on some new banners including a version without the overlay to try out based on feedback you've shared. Our banners are always a work in progress, they will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Delphine Ménard
You know, I think I'll pass on the actual content of the message that talks about Commercial not being a Monster and The Bad. (and yes I know, these are in a negative sentence but... seriously?). This banner looks like an obituary I find. Where are the cool banners on green leafy foresty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Liam Wyatt
*TL;DR - If you're going to change something, inform the people who will be affected before you change it!* Interestingly, I have a different understanding of the text when I read it - I find it to be a positive message and those words that you singled out have different tones depending on their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: I am however negatively-struck by the finishing statement, a return to the old motto of keep us online without advertising for one more year. I thought that we had collectively agreed that banners that directly threaten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Lila Tretikov
Hi All -- A quick note to all of you. Please keep in mind this is one of the A/B test, the design changes daily based on data/performance results. The team will let you know which variations will be available next week, although even those will change daily. This is not to stifle this discussion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All -- A quick note to all of you. Please keep in mind this is one of the A/B test, the design changes daily based on data/performance results. The team will let you know which variations will be available next week,

[Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-26 Thread MZMcBride
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banni%C3%A8rePopUpWikipedia2014.png Gah. Yes, I understand that more obnoxious banners means more money faster and presumably a shorter overall campaign. I also understand that we're only punishing certain large wikis with these banners and that these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-26 Thread Risker
These banners are problematic in that they are likely to trigger automatic filtering of Wikimedia sites by certain types/brands of net nanny/anti-spam/security software - including software used by many employers, schools and libraries. And once the sites are filtered/blocked, it will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-26 Thread Rjd0060
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:33 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Still, there's an element of basic human decency that must be incorporated into our banner designs. Obscuring the page content is not cool. Pop-ups (even ones that stay in the same window) are not cool. MZMcBride I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 November 2014 at 20:33, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banni%C3%A8rePopUpWikipedia2014.png Gah. Didn't we have the lightbox argument last year? - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-26 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: Didn't we have the lightbox argument last year? Probably. Or the year before. Or the year before that. I did say (again) in the subject line. ;-) There are various discussions popping up across Wikimedia about these banners. It didn't help that a bug earlier this week caused