Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: The value of Wikipedia for the economy
Thanks a lot for sharing! I didn't reply yet, because I didn't have had time to read through it properly (hopefully next week) 2013/4/11 Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hi, It looks like nobody received this email, so I try again! Vincent -- Forwarded message -- From: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: The value of Wikipedia for the economy To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Cc: lodew...@effeietsanders.org lodew...@effeietsanders.org, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Sébastien Beyou seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Le mardi 9 avril 2013, Plyd a écrit : Hello, Thanks Seb35 for pointing me this email. I did a study last year about the value of Wikipedia, as a thesis for my diploma in HEC Paris. Here is the link below. It is written in french and I used French Wikipedia as an example, but the methods used are the same for all languages. I was looking for indicators on how to value the job of wikipedians so my prefered indicator was the increase of pageviews. For a glam giving its material, saying how many views it generated is the best convincing argument imho. But I searched for a lots of different valuations, with each their own limits. As an example : - advertisement value : more or less the market value if a private company would like to make an offer to the foundation, best evaluation is with a simple ratio of pageviews * average page view value. $8 per 1000 pageviews = $1 600 000 000 per year for all wikipedia with discounted cash flow method (with the internet growth prediction), I get a $8 800 000 000 value. (2% of Apple Market Capitalisation) limitation : the value of wikipedia relays in its contributors and if it was sold, no more contributors would keep writing (and a fork would be done) limitation : the pageview value given by the foundation includes bots... - how much would it cost to write Wikipedia ? I used the indicator of freelance journalist paid at the word and I multiplied by the monthly size increase of Wikipedia. limitation : of course the choice of journalist is discutable, it's not the same job, but it is close enough to be compared. I used 57,74€ for 1500 signs (a value found in france), which gave me €32 000 000 per month value for french wikipedia, so with a €3000 monthly cost, it gives 900 employees for french wikipedia. - I also calculated with a time spent indicator, calculated with wikiscan.org (15 minutes max per contribution), which gaves me a more or less same result : 900 full-time contributors on fr.wikipedia.org Thesis: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20FEB2012%20-%20Vincent%20Juhel.pdf Slides for a Wikimedia France presentation: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20AGWMFR%2027MAI2012.pdf Don't hesitate to ask questions ! Plyd -- Forwarded message -- From: Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Date: 2013/4/8 Subject: Valeur de Wikipédia To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hello, Si tu veux parler de ton étude de la valeur de Wikipédia, il en est question sur wikimedia-l (pas lu, juste vu le titre), ça intéressera sûrement Lodewijk. http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** April/125050.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-April/125050.html Seb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: The value of Wikipedia for the economy
don't hesitate if you have any question, I don't have it for english wikipedia, but it is easy to do! On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: Thanks a lot for sharing! I didn't reply yet, because I didn't have had time to read through it properly (hopefully next week) 2013/4/11 Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hi, It looks like nobody received this email, so I try again! Vincent -- Forwarded message -- From: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: The value of Wikipedia for the economy To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Cc: lodew...@effeietsanders.org lodew...@effeietsanders.org, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Sébastien Beyou seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Le mardi 9 avril 2013, Plyd a écrit : Hello, Thanks Seb35 for pointing me this email. I did a study last year about the value of Wikipedia, as a thesis for my diploma in HEC Paris. Here is the link below. It is written in french and I used French Wikipedia as an example, but the methods used are the same for all languages. I was looking for indicators on how to value the job of wikipedians so my prefered indicator was the increase of pageviews. For a glam giving its material, saying how many views it generated is the best convincing argument imho. But I searched for a lots of different valuations, with each their own limits. As an example : - advertisement value : more or less the market value if a private company would like to make an offer to the foundation, best evaluation is with a simple ratio of pageviews * average page view value. $8 per 1000 pageviews = $1 600 000 000 per year for all wikipedia with discounted cash flow method (with the internet growth prediction), I get a $8 800 000 000 value. (2% of Apple Market Capitalisation) limitation : the value of wikipedia relays in its contributors and if it was sold, no more contributors would keep writing (and a fork would be done) limitation : the pageview value given by the foundation includes bots... - how much would it cost to write Wikipedia ? I used the indicator of freelance journalist paid at the word and I multiplied by the monthly size increase of Wikipedia. limitation : of course the choice of journalist is discutable, it's not the same job, but it is close enough to be compared. I used 57,74€ for 1500 signs (a value found in france), which gave me €32 000 000 per month value for french wikipedia, so with a €3000 monthly cost, it gives 900 employees for french wikipedia. - I also calculated with a time spent indicator, calculated with wikiscan.org (15 minutes max per contribution), which gaves me a more or less same result : 900 full-time contributors on fr.wikipedia.org Thesis: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20FEB2012%20-%20Vincent%20Juhel.pdf Slides for a Wikimedia France presentation: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20AGWMFR%2027MAI2012.pdf Don't hesitate to ask questions ! Plyd -- Forwarded message -- From: Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Date: 2013/4/8 Subject: Valeur de Wikipédia To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hello, Si tu veux parler de ton étude de la valeur de Wikipédia, il en est question sur wikimedia-l (pas lu, juste vu le titre), ça intéressera sûrement Lodewijk. http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** April/125050.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-April/125050.html Seb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: The value of Wikipedia for the economy
Hi, It looks like nobody received this email, so I try again! Vincent -- Forwarded message -- From: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: The value of Wikipedia for the economy To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Cc: lodew...@effeietsanders.org lodew...@effeietsanders.org, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Sébastien Beyou seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Le mardi 9 avril 2013, Plyd a écrit : Hello, Thanks Seb35 for pointing me this email. I did a study last year about the value of Wikipedia, as a thesis for my diploma in HEC Paris. Here is the link below. It is written in french and I used French Wikipedia as an example, but the methods used are the same for all languages. I was looking for indicators on how to value the job of wikipedians so my prefered indicator was the increase of pageviews. For a glam giving its material, saying how many views it generated is the best convincing argument imho. But I searched for a lots of different valuations, with each their own limits. As an example : - advertisement value : more or less the market value if a private company would like to make an offer to the foundation, best evaluation is with a simple ratio of pageviews * average page view value. $8 per 1000 pageviews = $1 600 000 000 per year for all wikipedia with discounted cash flow method (with the internet growth prediction), I get a $8 800 000 000 value. (2% of Apple Market Capitalisation) limitation : the value of wikipedia relays in its contributors and if it was sold, no more contributors would keep writing (and a fork would be done) limitation : the pageview value given by the foundation includes bots... - how much would it cost to write Wikipedia ? I used the indicator of freelance journalist paid at the word and I multiplied by the monthly size increase of Wikipedia. limitation : of course the choice of journalist is discutable, it's not the same job, but it is close enough to be compared. I used 57,74€ for 1500 signs (a value found in france), which gave me €32 000 000 per month value for french wikipedia, so with a €3000 monthly cost, it gives 900 employees for french wikipedia. - I also calculated with a time spent indicator, calculated with wikiscan.org (15 minutes max per contribution), which gaves me a more or less same result : 900 full-time contributors on fr.wikipedia.org Thesis: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20FEB2012%20-%20Vincent%20Juhel.pdf Slides for a Wikimedia France presentation: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20AGWMFR%2027MAI2012.pdf Don't hesitate to ask questions ! Plyd -- Forwarded message -- From: Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Date: 2013/4/8 Subject: Valeur de Wikipédia To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hello, Si tu veux parler de ton étude de la valeur de Wikipédia, il en est question sur wikimedia-l (pas lu, juste vu le titre), ça intéressera sûrement Lodewijk. http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** April/125050.htmlhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-April/125050.html Seb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: The value of Wikipedia for the economy
C'est très interessant. Est-ce qu'il y a quelqu'un qui l'a appliqué au Wikipédia anglais? Merci pour ce travail excellent! Kei Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network. - Reply message - From: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com To: wikimedia-l wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: The value of Wikipedia for the economy Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 11:55 AM Hi, It looks like nobody received this email, so I try again! Vincent -- Forwarded message -- From: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: The value of Wikipedia for the economy To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Cc: lodew...@effeietsanders.org lodew...@effeietsanders.org, wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Sébastien Beyou seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Le mardi 9 avril 2013, Plyd a écrit : Hello, Thanks Seb35 for pointing me this email. I did a study last year about the value of Wikipedia, as a thesis for my diploma in HEC Paris. Here is the link below. It is written in french and I used French Wikipedia as an example, but the methods used are the same for all languages. I was looking for indicators on how to value the job of wikipedians so my prefered indicator was the increase of pageviews. For a glam giving its material, saying how many views it generated is the best convincing argument imho. But I searched for a lots of different valuations, with each their own limits. As an example : - advertisement value : more or less the market value if a private company would like to make an offer to the foundation, best evaluation is with a simple ratio of pageviews * average page view value. $8 per 1000 pageviews = $1 600 000 000 per year for all wikipedia with discounted cash flow method (with the internet growth prediction), I get a $8 800 000 000 value. (2% of Apple Market Capitalisation) limitation : the value of wikipedia relays in its contributors and if it was sold, no more contributors would keep writing (and a fork would be done) limitation : the pageview value given by the foundation includes bots... - how much would it cost to write Wikipedia ? I used the indicator of freelance journalist paid at the word and I multiplied by the monthly size increase of Wikipedia. limitation : of course the choice of journalist is discutable, it's not the same job, but it is close enough to be compared. I used 57,74€ for 1500 signs (a value found in france), which gave me €32 000 000 per month value for french wikipedia, so with a €3000 monthly cost, it gives 900 employees for french wikipedia. - I also calculated with a time spent indicator, calculated with wikiscan.org (15 minutes max per contribution), which gaves me a more or less same result : 900 full-time contributors on fr.wikipedia.org Thesis: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20FEB2012%20-%20Vincent%20Juhel.pdf Slides for a Wikimedia France presentation: http://www.amplyd.com/these/Valorisation%20du%20b%C3%A9n%C3%A9volat%20sur%20Wikip%C3%A9dia%20-%20AGWMFR%2027MAI2012.pdf Don't hesitate to ask questions ! Plyd -- Forwarded message -- From: Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com Date: 2013/4/8 Subject: Valeur de Wikipédia To: Plyd wiki.vinc...@amplyd.com Hello, Si tu veux parler de ton étude de la valeur de Wikipédia, il en est question sur wikimedia-l (pas lu, juste vu le titre), ça intéressera sûrement Lodewijk. http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** April/125050.htmlhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-April/125050.html Seb ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
