Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-11 Thread Dennis During
Can we get back on topic please? I isn't there another thread for beating the fundraising-disclosure-oversight dead horse? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-11 Thread David Emrany
Dear Joseph Thanks for that link. *NB*: I hope that the list moderators shall not censor / block / unduly delay this important internal conversation we are having concerning WMF self-financing model. Since this concerns the WMF fund-raising drives of Nov-Dec 2016, I'm linking to the following

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-11 Thread Lodewijk
hi david, as with your accusations regarding the spending, my question would be whether you have anything to substantiate it. Seddon was clear: it did not happen, unless perhaps a human error in a minimal number of campaigns. If you have that then please bring that up in a *separate* thead.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-08 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hi David, I would refer to my answer I gave on the forked thread relating to this topic. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-September/088570.html Regards Seddon On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:46 PM, David Emrany wrote: > Sure Lodewijk, > > Banners from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-07 Thread David Emrany
Sure Lodewijk, Banners from December 2016: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inline_donor_bannerbass.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Inline_donor_bannerbass.png Comments from Seddon https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-December/085612.html Perhaps

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel wrote: > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the > moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then > suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice / >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-06 Thread Lodewijk
Hi David, Would you mind elaborating on the first point? I vaguely recall test banners being shown to logged in users, but don't recall seeing one myself while logged in for a while. Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:16 PM, David Emrany wrote: > a) This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-05 Thread David Emrany
a) This is incorrect b) how many years would "for several years" encompass? David On 9/5/17, Joseph Seddon wrote: > WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several years. > > Regards > Seddon ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-05 Thread Joseph Seddon
WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several years. Regards Seddon On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" wrote: > Hey Ori, > > I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed work > well (although I have no numbers on what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-05 Thread Lodewijk
Hey Ori, I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could indeed work well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations comes from logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite relevant for logged in users. Lodewijk On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
There are 4 or more different problems being discussed here, and it would be helpful to be precise about each of them, and keep them separate because they are technically distinct, despite being thematically linked. (Note: I'm not a dev, which both helps me simplify the explanation, but also means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Risker
Just noting in passing that ascribing this to the gadgets that make up a personal profile...isn't always what is the problem. I don't think standard non-logged-in profile has any of these finicky bits, yet the same thing happens to users who are not logged in. All the time - half the time I find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread James Heilman
These issues can be fixed. Have the banners load below the buttons we typically click on. Move the gadgets to the left of "read" rather than to the right of "view history". I have proposed this for TW as I mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Button_load_issues J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread David Gerard
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel wrote: > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the > moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then > suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice /

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Peter Southwood
6:44 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem? Can't we render each gadget in a Foundation-controlled with a height taller than the gadget ever typically flows to? On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Krinkle <krinklem...@gmail.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread James Salsman
Can't we render each gadget in a Foundation-controlled with a height taller than the gadget ever typically flows to? On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Krinkle wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Unexpected page jumps are never fun. They tend to be known as a "reflow" or > FOUC [1],

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Krinkle
Hi Mike, Unexpected page jumps are never fun. They tend to be known as a "reflow" or FOUC [1], and are common all over the web at different times. Unfortunately, while there may be multiple gadgets / features exhibiting this undesired behaviour, it is not a general problem or limitation. As

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-01 Thread James Heilman
I just put forwards a proposal to fix part of this issue Mike :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Button_load_issues The TW button is easy to fix at least I am told, once I get consensus. Amir fixed one of the buttons earlier today. James On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:09 PM,

[Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-01 Thread Michael Peel
This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice / gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the page again, or