Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-01 21:32 GMT-08:00 Andreas Kolbe : > The gift from the Brin Wojcicki Foundation is of a little bit of interest, > because its public announcement[3][5] came a mere three days after the > Wikimedia Foundation said[9] I see we're moving the goalposts back to an earlier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-03-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this > list > > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-03-01 Thread Kevin Gorman
Popping back earlier in the thread a bit: The statement "The Board has decided unanimously to back Lila's continued tenure," was false. The statement "The Board has decided to back Lila's continued tenure," was true. The exact nature of any dissent doesn't need to be publicized, and really the

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2016-03-01 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
Craig, I believe it is all free (not purchased), per https://www.google.com/intl/en/nonprofits/products/#apps#tab5 ("Google Apps for Nonprofits") On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > My understanding is that the Foundation purchases certain

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2016-03-01 Thread Brion Vibber
On Monday, February 29, 2016, Erik Moeller > wrote: > > The > Apple dictionary integration Brion mentions in [4] is an exception to > the rule; contrary to Brion's recollection it actually predates even > Sue Gardner and, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Erik Moeller
> Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this list > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In case you missed > it, here is the link again: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anne, On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Risker wrote: > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the > > statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest? > > > > Transparency is a fundamental WMF value. > > > > Nobody here is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Craig Franklin
My understanding is that the Foundation purchases certain technical and apps services (cloud email, for instance) from Google. Cheers, Craig On 1 March 2016 at 12:15, Risker wrote: > > I cannot for the life of me imagine what Google sells that the WMF would be > interested

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2016-02-29 Thread David Emrany
Dear Anne As a community member *I* am interested in knowing if WMF (or Jimmy) is selling to Google - or to anybody else ... like the Chinese.[1] David [1] http://wikipediasucks.boards.net/post/762 On 3/1/16, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > > > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > > > Andreas > > ___ > > > > Or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Leila Zia
I discussed with both James and Jimmy the choice of the word "unanimous". I'm satisfied with their responses. The BoT had a straw poll to make a decision about the leadership in November and the result of that poll may or may not have been unanimous (I'm fine with it being a straw poll at that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Risker
On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > > > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > > > > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Anthony Cole
If a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the code of conduct [1] couldn't be rewritten so it's not a soviet-style catch-all that outlaws discussion about anything that happens within the WMF. Staff, if a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Risker
On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > Andreas > ___ > Or you could be opaque but honest. "Honest" and "transparent" are not synonyms. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > **To that end, the Board remains unanimously committed in > > our support of Lila in her role** and in her efforts to adapt her > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: >> > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Joseph Seddon
Similarly the following remark was made by Patricio at the all staff meeting in November: *"I want all of you know that the Board unanimously agreed to support our current leadership."* I would ask for the sake of the staff and community that a speedy and clear explanation of whatever vote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We

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2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
No, I am not making a general statement about what should go in the minutes. But in this case, the chair of the board (and others, I believe) have misrepresented things. I mentioned the vote (irrespective of whether I can prove it) as a piece of evidence that exists to prove the decision was not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Pierre-Selim
2016-02-29 20:58 GMT+01:00 James Heilman : > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We had a

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2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
I have been sent a possible correction. When I had stated a "formal vote" had taken place some are of the position that this was simple a straw poll. Not sure if Geoff Brigham can clarify. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine

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2016-02-29 Thread James Heilman
Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous confidence in our leadership." This statement is not really true. We had a formal vote regarding the ED in November and it was not unanimous. The vote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So my concern is not that you lost touch with staff. I don't > particularly care about any one person. My concern is that the *board* > did. My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with > a letter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: >> Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When >> I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I >> did not mean what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales > wrote: > >> On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though >> he >> > had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
I agree with Dariusz on this, and have 2 additional thoughts: 1. I'm not sure that Silicon Valley organizations as a whole are more secretive than many NGOs. Some are famously super secretive - Apple. Others are not really - Automattic (Wordpress). Some NGOs tend to be very controlling of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though > he > > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content > of > > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Do you believe the various non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement > clauses that staff have to sign to work at the WMF should be public? Will > you encourage staff to share their content, in the interests of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though he > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content of > the non-disclosure agreement he had to sign as a WMF staff member. > > Do you believe the various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Intimidation about speaking up is a terrible and perverse thing to > happen in any organization. If that's a feeling that the organization > has had, I want to put forward the idea that it's over. If I were >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: > Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When > I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I > did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me > whether you speak with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Molly White
Jimmy, Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me whether you speak with them in person, over email, over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-28 Thread
A couple of responses in-line below. Jimmy, if you would like me to be able to respond to issues on your Wikipedia talk page, let me know. It's been 4 years now since you censored me from writing there, which seems like a long time to hold a grudge. On 27 February 2016 at 14:39, Jimmy Wales

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hey Chris, that's great! I didn't know that. I really should have checked the [[Template:Citation needed]] edit history yesterday. There you are: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Citation_needed=17662960 Well done! Andreas Andreas On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Chris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anna, That too is largely due to volunteers. In early February 2002 for example, Jimmy spoke of putting advertising on Wikipedia, saying on the Wikipedia-l mailing list:[1][2] ---o0o--- However, with the ongoing hard times in the Internet economy, we do anticipate adding some forms of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Cool. I think about [citation needed] all of the time when I am at work and we are expressing opinions. /a On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chris Sherlock > wrote: > > > > > >> On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Chris Sherlock
> On 28 Feb 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > >> On 28 Feb 2016, at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Anna Stillwell >> wrote: >> >>> Jimmy, >>> >>> I have a ridiculous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Véronique Michaud
J'habite au Canada et rien ni personne ne peux ou ne veux porter respect et compassion aucune Limite. Un monde assoiffé de vengeance, méchanceté aucune reconnaissance . Je suis véronique Michaud Only Bye Le 27 févr. 2016 2:37 PM, "phoebe ayers" a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 27,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Andreas, > It's important to understand that Jimmy Wales didn't accomplish the things you speak of alone. Yes, I'm aware of this. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I was pointing to the fact that Jimmy did not mess it up. I don't ever underestimate that. Jimmy could have not allowed that to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > Jimmy, > > I have a ridiculous amount of respect for you and what you have > accomplished. I have watched from afar (I was living a lot in other > countries) as this radical experiment in trust *exploded* on to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 9:17 PM, Fæ wrote: > I hope you will be able to address nagging concerns about your > personal support for keeping the search project a secret last year, Sure - I never supported keeping the proposed and approved work on Discovery and Search secret last year at all. I don't know of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/27/16 12:15 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > When it comes to your employees, setting the bozo bit is a *really* bad > antipattern. Doubly so when they're coming out of a bad situation and have > a lot to tell you. I completely agree with this - let me remind the context of my remark. For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Jimmy, I have a ridiculous amount of respect for you and what you have accomplished. I have watched from afar (I was living a lot in other countries) as this radical experiment in trust *exploded* on to the world. It blew my mind. And some of the early rules that were set were nothing short of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
"I don't think what Anna described requires "a build-out" of HR. What I am reading is a description of what HR should *already be*, and, crucially, *once used to be*." You're exactly right, Asaf. That's what I meant. Thank you for the clarification. /a On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:53 AM,

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2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
I think that sounds like a good idea. Some extra, temporary support would be useful. But I worry about how reporting lines could lead to duplicative efforts and a lack of coherence. If we get the right humans in human resources and then we also have someone reporting to the ED... As an employee,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:37 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: > > > Before adding another layer of process and reporting and complexity > > structurally, we should more likely try to renew the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > Before adding another layer of process and reporting and complexity > structurally, we should more likely try to renew the heart of HR and allow > them to work with Legal in partnership as they had done so well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
Phoebe, Thank you for your post and the shout out. And Oliver, I appreciate where you are coming from. Ideally, if HR functions properly (e.g., both legally protects the interests of the foundation AND caringly relates with employees as real human beings), then this role should already be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 1:38 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: >> +1 to what Oliver and Vibber said. >> >> The situation is still delicate, Jimmy. >> >> Staff are being extremely kind to one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > +1 to what Oliver and Vibber said. > > The situation is still delicate, Jimmy. > > Staff are being extremely kind to one another. I was blown away by the > respect and care that staff showed toward *the entire

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Lucas Teles
With all due respect to Lila's work, but IIRC before she started working for Foundation, it was said that the technology background was very important, but communication could be a problem. That may have been disregarded because the choice was already made or because volunteers complain about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anna Stillwell
+1 to what Oliver and Vibber said. The situation is still delicate, Jimmy. Staff are being extremely kind to one another. I was blown away by the respect and care that staff showed toward *the entire situation yesterday *when we met as a group*.* We were mature, measured, civil, reasonable and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Well, Jimmy Wales has said here in this discussion that he is "continuing to push for more disclosure and more openness." Maybe he'll be so kind as to tell you now that you can publish that NDA here on this list without fear of repercussions. I think we all agree that kind of fear should have no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear Brion, your comments in this thread were wonderfully clear. Thank you. On Feb 26, 2016 8:15 PM, "Brion Vibber" wrote: > Just a quick note: > > * some of the big staff conversations are indeed being very carefully > note-taken or recorded internally. We are being very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Oliver Keyes
Anthony has hit the nail on the head here with "could be used to punish or intimidate staff"; the reason I, at least, am uncomfortable talking about the internal details here (beyond the obvious PR elements for the Foundation) is that there's a lot of ongoing fear about repercussions. A couple of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
It's not just NDAs that constrain you, staff. The WMF code of conduct (that applies to staff and trustees) reads, "People acting on the Foundation’s behalf must respect and maintain the confidentiality of sensitive information they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread James Alexander
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Pine W wrote: > Something that I would like to understand is why so much WMF information is > cloaked under NDAs. It seems to me that this is philosophically at odds > with the values of the community, makes for poor governance, and provides

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
Can we see your NDA please, Oliver? Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Pine W wrote: > Something that I would like to understand is why so much WMF information is > cloaked under NDAs. It seems to me that this is philosophically at odds > with the values of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
Something that I would like to understand is why so much WMF information is cloaked under NDAs. It seems to me that this is philosophically at odds with the values of the community, makes for poor governance, and provides cover for opportunities for mischief. I hope that recent events will prompt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
I would also like that. To be perfectly honest the NDAs are vague enough (deliberately) that it makes things very hard for anyone outside of counsel to really determine what might be a problem. From my perspective: so, as well as a prohibition on sharing anything we learn exclusively through our

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2016-02-26 Thread George Herbert
It would be a good thing if the Board and current or expected interim ED loosened up confidentiality on the employees. It helps internal morale and external confidence in reforms. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Oliver Keyes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pine W wrote: > I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and > staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks > we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I guess I didn't appreciate that the situation involved more than widespread

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Garry
On 26 February 2016 at 17:15, Brion Vibber wrote: > > * There is also a big need for private conversations, which means many/most > of these talks won't be recorded and definitely would not be made public in > detail. Many won't feel comfortable in a recorded conversation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
Just a quick note: * some of the big staff conversations are indeed being very carefully note-taken or recorded internally. We are being very careful to plan and communicate how open they will be ahead of time and keep them both honest and not scary. I would not expect them to be made public (the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
On Feb 26, 2016 3:30 PM, "Oliver Keyes" wrote: > > When I hear language about "ignoring those who are going to complain > no matter what" and, in an email premised on visiting and spending > time with staff, a distinction between the pool of people you'll be > talking to and

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2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
I agree with what Pine said -- it's worthwhile to consider keeping a record of these conversations, at minimum for staff reference, even if making them all public is not desirable. Further to that point, I have found in many instances, involving a skilled professional facilitator or mediator, who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
If I may make an even bolder proposal: these chats with Brion and Jimmy can be, with the consent of everyone involved in each particular meeting, video-recorded. Asking for the videos to be posted in public might be a step that's too uncomfortable for some people (although I think that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > I can't speak for Lila, nor should I try. But I know that for people > new to our world, it's really quite confusing. You hear a lot of voices > and if you've been around for long enough, you get to know which ones >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread
Thanks for considering being the interim CEO Jimmy. Your visit sounds useful, especially "I want to better understand the outlines of what staff want from their next ED, so that information can be used to help guide the search." Fortunate for the trustees who are less proactive, that they can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/26/16 10:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > > frankly, Vibber's communications with the Wikimedia community outside of > > the Foundation have far surpassed yours in clarity and transparency. I > hope > > that you will

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2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
I'm guessing speculation at this point is just moot. The board will be deciding on this, and most likely in silence. If you have candidates, the best way to make their case is to send their names to someone on the board. I'm assuming they will at least announce soon a contact point for such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 3:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has > to be. No, that isn't going to happen. There has been some staff and board advocacy of it - the idea has been floated - but although I took the idea seriously enough to think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 10:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in > shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? Through email, Google hangout meetings, and in person

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2016-02-26 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 26/02/16 16:46, Theo10011 a écrit : Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has to be. Speechless... Finding an ED is a long painful process, something that is bound to get more difficult after Lila and Arnon. The only question is, if the board brings back

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Theo10011
Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has to be. Finding an ED is a long painful process, something that is bound to get more difficult after Lila and Arnon. The only question is, if the board brings back someone or chooses to promote/move someone around. Food

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > Diplomacy requires talking to your enemies as well as your friends. (And in > the real world, we are rarely all one or the other.) > > -- brion Yes, that I can see, and well said. Andreas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-26 16:23, Risker wrote: Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board member. He's directly saying "I'm coming to listen to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
#Iamwithrisker On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Risker wrote: > Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal > opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the > Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Risker
Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board member. He's directly saying "I'm coming to listen to you". And he's being transparent about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
On Friday, February 26, 2016, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Brion, > > I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of > "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine > grant agreement was released, insisted, Diplomacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Brion, I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine grant agreement was released, insisted, ---o0o--- 'To make this very clear: no one in top positions has proposed or is proposing that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your > trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
Poo has indeed hit fans, as the metaphor goes. But that's hardly the time to STOP talking. I'll be coming down to the SF office as well next week to talk directly with Jimmy and with any staff (and board members!) who want to plan or brainstorm or vent or just share a moment of "aggghhh!" and I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread
Enjoy your trip Jimmy. It's been about 20 years since I last travelled there. Let me know if you want me to join you for a strategic chat. Please consider declaring your conflicts of interest and conflicts of loyalty more publicly, or changing your role away from being a voting WMF trustee, say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pierre-Selim
Ruslan it's different. Way different I would say, being head of staff is the role of the ED (when not steping down). A board member messing with that is doing something bad for the organization. If a board member is not happy with the result of the ED, his option is simple, talk about it with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread GorillaWarfare
I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? How do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Ruslan Takayev
Jimmy, et al As yet, we have yet to have coherent believable reasoning for the removal of James Heilman from the BoT, but one of the reasons that has been put out there (rightly or wrongly) is that James was talking to staff about the state of affairs at the WMF. Is this trip not the exact same