Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread geni
On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I demand that my project gets global attention.


Well you've got British and German



 I cannot emphasize how
 important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable of
 addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
 etc.).


Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.


 Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.


Been tried. Didn't end well.


 I feel
 morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.


Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?


 My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday and
 I will not shut up until they have food.


You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
starvation per se



 I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please check
 them out.


I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
undesirable.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread Alex Peek
All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.


On 18 June 2013 23:42, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

  I demand that my project gets global attention.


 Well you've got British and German



  I cannot emphasize how
  important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable
 of
  addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
  etc.).


 Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.


  Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.


 Been tried. Didn't end well.


  I feel
  morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.
 

 Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?


  My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday
 and
  I will not shut up until they have food.
 

 You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
 it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
 starvation per se



  I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please
 check
  them out.
 

 I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
 socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
 the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
 in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
 opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
 undesirable.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi Alex,
I sense some frustration here. I think what you are doing is brave and
needed, and you could probably use some help. The pages on economics
and economics policy are some of the most neglected on Wikipedia (that
and plastics and ..., but let's not go into a whole list of neglected
topics, please folks) . I think your chances of finding like-minded
economics-oriented Wikipedians quite small, but sending random cries
for help periodically to this list will propably not help you find
those people.

Your main obstacle to success is your lack of knowledge about how
Wikipedia works. As Lydia politely pointed out, you have not even
tried to find out how your data could be included in WikiData, where
it could potentially be used by all projects in all languages.

As I see it, you have through your research located the data for
several countries. This is all good. Each source of data needs to be
defined on Wikipedia somewhere as an authority on that country's
economic data. So first you need a list of economic data holders per
country. Next these need to go on WikiData as list holders, and next,
the data can be filled in property fields per country municipality (or
whatever granularity of the data you are looking for). The data can be
aggregated or you can just use the list holder data at each level.

You cannot, however, just type in values of data without naming the
sources. That would qualify as original research, which is a no-no on
Wikipedia.

Hope it helps,
Jane

2013/6/19, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com:
 All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.


 On 18 June 2013 23:42, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

  I demand that my project gets global attention.


 Well you've got British and German



  I cannot emphasize how
  important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable
 of
  addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world
  hunger,
  etc.).


 Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.


  Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.


 Been tried. Didn't end well.


  I feel
  morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for
  attention.
 

 Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?


  My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday
 and
  I will not shut up until they have food.
 

 You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
 it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
 starvation per se



  I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please
 check
  them out.
 

 I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
 socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
 the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
 in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
 opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
 undesirable.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread Alex Peek
Thanks Jane for the response. I'll contact Wikidata and see how my data can
be incorporated. The thing about Wikidata is that its goal to be a very
expansive semantic database to support all other Wikipedia projects. I do
support Wikidata.

But the whole point of my project is create a short, simple model to
display economic statistics. This is to support the economic community.

I will make a list of articles using the [[outline]] feature. That seems
like the best idea.
Geni, i see what you mean. I'm not correct to call it the periodic table of
economics (no periods involved in my model).

I have somebody from the World Bank helping me out on this project also. He
said he would do the article for the Bahamas, Haiti and Bolivia. Another
student said he would work on Greece. I am have this project listed for
volunteers at the London School of Economics. I also contacted the newly
created Volcker Alliance. They have not gotten back to me. Once I finish
the top ten economies I'm going to print them all out and send it in the
mail to the Economist. I will do this project alone, but it would be nice
to have some volunteers.



On 19 June 2013 01:29, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 June 2013 08:56, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

  All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.
 
 
  As a chemist I beg to differ. I mean how is valency meant to work? What is
 the economic analogue of a d orbital? Periodicity in general seems rather
 weak. Metals vs non metals doesn't make much sense in an economic context.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread Peter Southwood
There are other types of periodicity  besides those of chemical 
characteristics, Nevertheless it is not clear what periodicity might be 
displayed by economic data, except possibly in share prices etc, but those 
do not appear to be relevant to the subject.

Cheers,
Peter
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On 19 June 2013 08:56, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:


All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.



As a chemist I beg to differ. I mean how is valency meant to work? What is
the economic analogue of a d orbital? Periodicity in general seems rather
weak. Metals vs non metals doesn't make much sense in an economic context.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-18 Thread Alex Peek
My project does not aim to be an expansive database like Wikidata. The goal
of my project is create the *periodic table* for economics readable to
laypersons. To my knowledge, no other economist has attempted to make a
'periodic table' for economics.

I demand that my project gets global attention. I cannot emphasize how
important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable of
addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
etc.). Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed. I feel
morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.
My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday and
I will not shut up until they have food.

I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please check
them out.

Project Home page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

Countries ranked by 2011 GDP

1. United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

2. China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China

3. Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan

4. Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany

5. France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France

6. Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil

7. United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

8. Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy

9. India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India

10. Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia


On 18 June 2013 03:07, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:
  I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
  Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.
 
  This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
  different goal.

 Could you elaborate on this please? I'm not sure I understand the
 difference in goal.


 Cheers
 Lydia

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[Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-17 Thread Alex Peek
Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic data
and serve public administration.

It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can understand
and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic issues
that require a new perspective.

The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a modern
day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
public money RD into renewable energies and create a cheaper alternative.
The world must understand wake up to the reality.

This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and city.
There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does not
exist yet).


Countries ranked by 2011 GDP

1. United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

2. China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China

3. Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan

4. Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany

5. France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France

6. Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil

7. United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

8. Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy

9. India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India

10. Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-17 Thread Deryck Chan
Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and
therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata
will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated.

On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

 The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic data
 and serve public administration.

 It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can understand
 and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
 civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
 warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic issues
 that require a new perspective.

 The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
 resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a modern
 day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
 public money RD into renewable energies and create a cheaper alternative.
 The world must understand wake up to the reality.

 This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and city.
 There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does not
 exist yet).


 Countries ranked by 2011 GDP

 1. United States:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

 2. China:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China

 3. Japan:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan

 4. Germany:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany

 5. France:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France

 6. Brazil:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil

 7. United Kingdom

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

 8. Italy

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy

 9. India

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India

 10. Russia

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-17 Thread Alex Peek
Deryck, I re-read your message and i looked up the [[WP:outline]] feature.
Looks interesting, thanks for showing me that.


On 17 June 2013 12:07, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
 Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.

 This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
 different goal.


 On 17 June 2013 12:00, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote:

 Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and
 therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata
 will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated.

 On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map
 
  The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic
 data
  and serve public administration.
 
  It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can
 understand
  and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
  civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
  warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic
 issues
  that require a new perspective.
 
  The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
  resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a
 modern
  day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
  public money RD into renewable energies and create a cheaper
 alternative.
  The world must understand wake up to the reality.
 
  This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and
 city.
  There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does
 not
  exist yet).
 
 
  Countries ranked by 2011 GDP
 
  1. United States:
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States
 
  2. China:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China
 
  3. Japan:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan
 
  4. Germany:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany
 
  5. France:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France
 
  6. Brazil:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil
 
  7. United Kingdom
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
 
  8. Italy
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy
 
  9. India
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India
 
  10. Russia
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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